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RailBoy Samba Member

Joined: March 10, 2008 Posts: 2916 Location: Virginia
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 9:58 am Post subject: Emulsion Tube Break Down.. F-7's/F-11's |
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Well, have some thing that brings my attention here to the forums.. Only reason why is that I have heard and seen multiple explanations of what the different Emulsion Tubes do, this is in regards to the F-7's and F-11's specifically...
Well I am not going to get into what I have heard in comparisons to one another of the F-7's and F-11's, but I will say I learned 4+ different ways they work and this is in contrast to one another and overlapping each others function, so, that said there is no one story that is the same, so, like to hear which does what and see verifiable facts on this info, for, like I mentioned, heard 4+ different ways they work, each doing each other function and so one, and also at different RPMs levels....
Thanks for your time and like to hear what is up with how these Emulsion Tubes work as well as opperating characteristics of them.... RB |
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modok Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 27754 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:01 am Post subject: |
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try the innovate forums
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RailBoy Samba Member

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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:08 am Post subject: Emulsion Tube Break Down.. F-7's/F-11's |
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Ok, guess it it time to do some reading, thanks for the resource Modok, you came through again appreciate it... RB
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SGKent  Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 42926 Location: at the beach in Northern Wokistan
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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if the question is what do the emulsion tubes do, they are designed to assist with the mixture curve. That is what I recollect but it has been 30 years +/- since I tuned Webers at the track for top performance.
Books:
'Weber Carburetors - Theory, Tuning and Maintenance' by John Passini. ISBN 0-947981-67-5
or Haynes Weber book ISBN 1 85010 020 9
Here is from another thread on the subject. http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=13640&start=0
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modok Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 27754 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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Far out dude
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SGKent  Samba Member

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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:44 pm Post subject: |
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The problem with the general advice about e-tubes in SGKent's post, is the advice is so general it is kinda meaningless.
It can be true or false depending on how you look at it.
For instance the "smaller diameter gives acc pump type action" part, smaller diameter where? Above the step? below the step? depending on the location of the holes?
The diameter of the lower part does give an acc pump type action but only if the tube is setup for it. A f-16 tube doesen't do it at all.
Other tubes do it alot. I had trouble with richness on downshifts trying to run a skinny tube with a lot of holes near the bottom. So it depends
This chart from the innovate forum is more concrete
translation for weber people
Killbleed=holes above step
Upper bleed=holes AT the step
Lower bleed=holes below step
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2567&d=1200525005 |
Modoc - I aplogize for posting something that was over your head. _________________
Canned Water - the new California approved parts cleaner (except in a drought in which case rub it with sand).
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modok Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 27754 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2010 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, ok. I will stick to posting things from books, safer that way. |
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Augsburg57 Samba Member

Joined: June 30, 2009 Posts: 90 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:49 pm Post subject: F7's vs F11's |
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In my forum search research on Weber 40 IDF jetting and set up, I notice most recommend the F7 emulssion tubes. My engine builder used F11's and my motor (2017cc in a 67' Split Window Bus) runs great. _________________ '67 VW 11-Window Standard Bus, 2027cc Stroker with Dual 40 IDF Webers |
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mark tucker Samba Member

Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23945 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| I was going to switch tubes in mcarbs then I went from 1874 cc to 2332,and set the float level and they work fine now.they worked fine befor but the 44's were a little harsh transfering to the main circut with small cc motor & kinda low level.& to much jet. I was used to 2 holly 830 cfm carbs on my v8 & had never seen a idf type carb. I kinda likes them now that there easy to do.just get a good book, I got the cb book, dont know witch is better , but just knowing the basic's of what does what & how&why.and there easyer than what I was used to . and if I ever do another setup for my v8 stuff it may get 4x 51's |
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Dale M. Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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This is what the WEBER Tuning Manual says about (purpose of) emulsion tubes...
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gerg a.k.a. 6volt65

Joined: April 25, 2003 Posts: 5454 Location: Monroe, LA
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Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:58 am Post subject: |
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I found this book to be a great resource and learning guide:
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Dingleweed Samba Member

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