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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fact of the matter is not everything was bad, we had some good stuff and there are things we need to fix, and will be fixed. I think that we put in a good effort and that it will take time to get things just right. It’s a little harder to show change with a show that’s only once a year but our continued goal is to build the show up from this point and create something that is different from the majority of US Vdub shows. If we you don’t come next year, our goal is to keep improving until you feel you have to come back. It’s a long term process.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I agree with Mike. Let Winterjam run the watercooled show on Saturday, leave the bus show to NDBS and we'll all meet up on Sunday for Winterjam if the gate fee isn't outrageous.


We would be willing to consider something along those lines. Our biggest thing is Negativity between the two shows is bad reagardless of when or were they happen.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I agree with Mike. Let Winterjam run the watercooled show on Saturday, leave the bus show to NDBS and we'll all meet up on Sunday for Winterjam if the gate fee isn't outrageous.


We would be willing to consider something along those lines. Our biggest thing is Negativity between the two shows is bad reagardless of when or were they happen.


I haven't really seen the negativity between the 2 shows. In reading and rereading these post, this must be Scott posting now and all the conflict post from Joe both under the Winterjam name.

I was at Jam, Joe looked me in the eye and totaly ignored me, not even a high or F off. I asked security to get the promoters on the radio and they refused to.
Almost everyone that helped with NDBS went to Jam Sunday, so we were all there.
I just hope your sponsors aren't reading this thread at least up to when it appears Scott started posting, he seems reasonable and not greedy and really seems to be thinking about 'the people" and their thoughts and the REAL future of Jam WEEKEND at least in the last few post.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scott, Your claiming were being negative toward you. Look back and you'll see most negativity comes from your patrons. In fact we have promoted the show and if anything brought you more people to Daytona. Also your claiming that we have no experience. I have been doing car shows since 97, like Volksblast, WinterJam(the good years) and many other VW events and they were all successful. I also organize corporate events for NASCAR, Home Depot and Lowe's. Fact is your show was laid out by us in the beginning. Your welcome! I would venture to say your the least experienced here. Also you can call me anytime and talk, I am not opposed to that at all. PM me and I will give you my number. Joe has had it all along and I have never received a call from either of you. You have not reached out to us, if you did through whom and how did you do it? I will say this, there will be a No Dough without WinterJam and as far as marketing goes you guys spent all that money on advertising to have a smaller turnout than the pervious years? Really? Coke had great marketing, and new Coke still sucked! That's marketing 101! I told you months ago you bought a bag of shit, I think now you realize what I was talking about. The negativity was there before you came on board, You just weren't informed properly. Let me know what you want to do either way were still moving forward.......Bill Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WinterJam wrote:
KILLERWATT wrote:
I agree with Mike. Let Winterjam run the watercooled show on Saturday, leave the bus show to NDBS and we'll all meet up on Sunday for Winterjam if the gate fee isn't outrageous.


We would be willing to consider something along those lines. Our biggest thing is Negativity between the two shows is bad reagardless of when or were they happen.


I don't think there is negativity between the 2 shows, one show was good, one show was not so good, end of story. If you got negative feedback from your show it's your own fault not anyone else's.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bet if cut off the cancer (aka Joe) you will have a more successful show next year. I know it pissed off a whole bunch of people seeing that *%$#@ at the show
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I have been very kind in my statements on this forum. Like I stated before, I had a good time at winterjam. We had a little problem at the end of the show with a no so friendly security guard. But what do you say, he is doing what he is told. I have only threw stones about the shitty back hand comments about our sponsors. Sorry, but they are also my friends, and I will back them til the end!

I m not the one in charge of ndbs. We are a group and we would have to talk it over as a group! Secondly, We don't know if the Vw community is going to except winterjam after this year. It looks like you guys burned a lot of bridges , and pissed off a lot car owner. Without them, you have no show.
And as far as us not being able to pull off a complete weekend. I wouldn't bet againist us. Have a nice day!

PS sorry if I have made you feel as if we have been bullying you around. I stand up for what I believe in, and this whole thing has nothing to do with you as a person.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Scott, I was at WinterJam, I'm always in a big ass ugly yellow DHL van with a big KLASSICFAB logo on the side...I had a funky ass, funky green, fat chick bay window slammed on earlies, and 2 parking slots worth of funky green parts laid out...it's kind of hard to miss me......I saw Joe, the only contact we had was for him to take 2 nice crispy $100.00 dollar bills from me, after the offical admission lady had taken $40.00....did he turn those in?????or did they just go in his pocket?????, you should ask him... Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy I hung out till 1:00pm....you should have come by and said hello.....Joe should have come by and tell me what I prick I was for not sponsoring your show....like I said, I am kind of hard to miss, and the rest of the NDBS crew is kind of hard to miss.....I still have not met you.....
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hey Scott, I was at WinterJam, I'm always in a big ass ugly yellow DHL van with a big KLASSICFAB logo on the side...I had a funky ass, funky green, fat chick bay window slammed on earlies, and 2 parking slots worth of funky green parts laid out...it's kind of hard to miss me......I saw Joe, the only contact we had was for him to take 2 nice crispy $100.00 dollar bills from me, after the offical admission lady had taken $40.00....did he turn those in?????or did they just go in his pocket?????, you should ask him... Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy I hung out till 1:00pm....you should have come by and said hello.....Joe should have come by and tell me what I prick I was for not sponsoring your show....like I said, I am kind of hard to miss, and the rest of the NDBS crew is kind of hard to miss.....I still have not met you.....
That bay window is bad ass! Drool
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you know bill,.... fat bitches need "lovin" too.... Very Happy Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hey Scott, I was at WinterJam, I'm always in a big ass ugly yellow DHL van with a big KLASSICFAB logo on the side...I had a funky ass, funky green, fat chick bay window slammed on earlies, and 2 parking slots worth of funky green parts laid out...it's kind of hard to miss me......I saw Joe, the only contact we had was for him to take 2 nice crispy $100.00 dollar bills from me, after the offical admission lady had taken $40.00....did he turn those in?????or did they just go in his pocket?????, you should ask him... Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy I hung out till 1:00pm....you should have come by and said hello.....Joe should have come by and tell me what I prick I was for not sponsoring your show....like I said, I am kind of hard to miss, and the rest of the NDBS crew is kind of hard to miss.....I still have not met you.....


First I don’t think you’re a prick for not sponsoring or even help starting the other show. Joe did turn the money in, the swap is for used parts vendors only new parts we charge for, so you paid the same vendor fee everyone else did that is a new parts vendor. I did go over there a couple times but I didn’t get to speak with you. I did get to talk to some other folks who were very nice but we can talk about that later.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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you know bill,.... fat bitches need "lovin" too.... Very Happy Very Happy
I think i'm "baycurious"! Embarassed
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think I have been very kind in my statements on this forum. Like I stated before, I had a good time at winterjam. We had a little problem at the end of the show with a no so friendly security guard. But what do you say, he is doing what he is told. I have only threw stones about the shitty back hand comments about our sponsors. Sorry, but they are also my friends, and I will back them til the end!

I m not the one in charge of ndbs. We are a group and we would have to talk it over as a group! Secondly, We don't know if the Vw community is going to except winterjam after this year. It looks like you guys burned a lot of bridges , and pissed off a lot car owner. Without them, you have no show.
And as far as us not being able to pull off a complete weekend. I wouldn't bet againist us. Have a nice day!

PS sorry if I have made you feel as if we have been bullying you around. I stand up for what I believe in, and this whole thing has nothing to do with you as a person.


A couple people have mentioned the security. I recognize that they need better instructions for next year. The one way traffic thing was designed to make things safer and show cars were allowed to circle the properties. I am working with staff for next year to make sure they understand what and why we are doing things so they can explain in a friendly way what’s going on and not be overly aggressive. For a first year staff they did pretty good but there are large improvements that need to be made.

As far as burring bridges, I’m sorry you feel that way. I have received some complaints but for the most part very positive responses and suggestions for making things better. Most of the sponsors gave verbal commitments on next year with several stepping up to do more. I also received very positive responses from club members who came down to test the waters so we are expecting more cars next year. Things are looking very good for WinterJam 2012.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Scott, Your claiming were being negative toward you. Look back and you'll see most negativity comes from your patrons. In fact we have promoted the show and if anything brought you more people to Daytona. Also your claiming that we have no experience. I have been doing car shows since 97, like Volksblast, WinterJam(the good years) and many other VW events and they were all successful. I also organize corporate events for NASCAR, Home Depot and Lowe's. Fact is your show was laid out by us in the beginning. Your welcome! I would venture to say your the least experienced here. Also you can call me anytime and talk, I am not opposed to that at all. PM me and I will give you my number. Joe has had it all along and I have never received a call from either of you. You have not reached out to us, if you did through whom and how did you do it? I will say this, there will be a No Dough without WinterJam and as far as marketing goes you guys spent all that money on advertising to have a smaller turnout than the pervious years? Really? Coke had great marketing, and new Coke still sucked! That's marketing 101! I told you months ago you bought a bag of shit, I think now you realize what I was talking about. The negativity was there before you came on board, You just weren't informed properly. Let me know what you want to do either way were still moving forward.......Bill Cool

Bill,
send me an email at and we can swap numbers. I agree about new coke old coke however our lower numbers were exspected from changing our formula from no pay to pay. numbers will grow over time the main thing is that at this point the show is sustanable were the old modle of sponsors paying for everything just cant hold up in this economy. When we meet I would love to talk more about this.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Fact of the matter is not everything was bad, we had some good stuff


Your right, the location is awesome but everything else sucked. Will I go next year? I dont know.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Fact of the matter is not everything was bad, we had some good stuff


Your right, the location is awesome but everything else sucked. Will I go next year? I dont know.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've skipped this post for a few days now,seems to be getting out of control. The end all be all to the entire thing is NDBS kicked ass and winterjam has done irreparable damage to itself and will never recover from it. I think that Joes was very smart in "selling off the show " when he did becase it was on its last leg with the bad deals and endless commitment fails to vendors and sponsors along with his bad business within the vw community. He also must talk a good game to keep his job and further ruin someone elses investment just by being assosiated. I think NDBS has a good thing going here and should in no way assosiate itself with winterjam.
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I bet if cut off the cancer (aka Joe) you will have a more successful show next year. I know it pissed off a whole bunch of people seeing that *%$#@ at the show
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