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bobsbug64 Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2010 Posts: 30 Location: washington
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 9:51 pm Post subject: my 64 air ride project... |
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well here it goes.. pictures are not in order .. i'll keep adding more tomorrow after work..
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Nubby Samba Member
Joined: August 28, 2010 Posts: 605 Location: Down by the river
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Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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Looks good man. What sound deadner did you use? |
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bobsbug64 Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2010 Posts: 30 Location: washington
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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thanks... its fat mat rattle trap.. its not bad to put in but sliced my hands all up.. the silver part is real sharp on the edges..!! |
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ziptyd66 Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2011 Posts: 108 Location: Riverside
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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looks good I like the way the back bags are done. _________________ 63 bug bagged w/1200 sp (0\ l /0) |
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Reddd Samba Member
Joined: November 27, 2010 Posts: 79 Location: Midlothian, Tx
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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looks good, i just dont like the use of the torsion cover deal being used as a bolt point for a mount. Id make something little beefier since your putting different stress on it than when it has a torrsion bar and bushings in it |
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Boom Samba Member
Joined: September 29, 2007 Posts: 1119 Location: Houston by God Texas
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bobsbug64 Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2010 Posts: 30 Location: washington
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Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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honestly i had the beam built for me with air ride in mind.. i didn't know people are running them without adjusters.. do i just take out the bolts? |
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massimo63 Samba Member
Joined: June 20, 2010 Posts: 3 Location: Roma
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:17 am Post subject: |
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yes you can, could you give me the size of schocks closed and open?
Thanks
Massimo |
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pOrk Samba Member
Joined: April 03, 2011 Posts: 339 Location: Wauwatosa, Wi
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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You have the body off the pan why don't you install air suspension in the front the right way? Air shocks are NOT air suspension. |
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touchdowntodd Samba Member
Joined: April 13, 2009 Posts: 283 Location: milwaukee
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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id REALLY beef up those rear bottom mount brackets if i were u... those will snap like that _________________ mine - '65 6vt 40hp, 5.5" beam, Spindles, BRMs, etc
project with dad - '62 pan'd manx copy body 6vt 40hp.. |
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pOrk Samba Member
Joined: April 03, 2011 Posts: 339 Location: Wauwatosa, Wi
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Do you have any photos of the lower bag mount on the axle tube? Looks real weird in the one pic |
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bobsbug64 Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2010 Posts: 30 Location: washington
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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pOrk wrote: |
You have the body off the pan why don't you install air suspension in the front the right way? Air shocks are NOT air suspension. |
meaning bags up front? |
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lucille66 Samba Member
Joined: June 29, 2008 Posts: 633 Location: ORANGE COUNTY
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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pOrk wrote: |
You have the body off the pan why don't you install air suspension in the front the right way? Air shocks are NOT air suspension. |
Reread what u just wrote. AIR shocks. How is that NOT air suspension? I'm gonna love watching you explain this one...... |
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bobsbug64 Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2010 Posts: 30 Location: washington
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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lucille66 wrote: |
pOrk wrote: |
You have the body off the pan why don't you install air suspension in the front the right way? Air shocks are NOT air suspension. |
Reread what u just wrote. AIR shocks. How is that NOT air suspension? I'm gonna love watching you explain this one...... |
well said |
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touchdowntodd Samba Member
Joined: April 13, 2009 Posts: 283 Location: milwaukee
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Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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eric worked for a very well known air ride company for a while, and ive done several installs as well..
air shocks arent air ride due to the fact that they arent designed to be adjustable, they are designed to be a helper to keep a vehicle at a certain height, not to be adjusted consistently ... they are a helper for added load in a truck or car..
they require a higher PSI than you would need in a bag, and there for ride much rougher.. im not goin to say that they cant ride decent, but abag will ride better, perform better, last longer, and have the proper adjustability for a true "air ride" setup..
these are simply not designed to be the only suspension in any part of the car, they are designed to have coil or leaf springs as the actual suspension and load bearing item..
hope that makes sense, im sure eric will chime in... they just arent the right way, only reason it seems people do em on VWs is lack of space for a bag, altho i think there is enough room you just have to be creative and im definetely not talking about a single bag setup, forget that shit... sway is no fun _________________ mine - '65 6vt 40hp, 5.5" beam, Spindles, BRMs, etc
project with dad - '62 pan'd manx copy body 6vt 40hp.. |
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glutamodo The Android
Joined: July 13, 2004 Posts: 26325 Location: Douglas, WY
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 2:44 am Post subject: |
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So....
shifting with Lucky Number 13 eh? No 8-ball like everyone else! (Well, I have a solid blue 2-ball on my Baja bug... )
-Andy |
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Miklo ¡Chale!
Joined: August 27, 2008 Posts: 2058 Location: Antelope Valley, Ca
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 6:02 am Post subject: |
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I have to agree with touchdowntodd on both posts.
Its all very nice work but that bottom mount will bust right off. First ride, maybe even first raise.
And an air shock is not considered a "true" air ride for the reasons he mentioned above. They are more of a support for the other suspension... not for the whole weight of a car. Hence they are a little stiffer and not as free floating as an airbag.
I would also patch up that framehead a bit. You don't want ANYTHING getting in there that isn't supposed to be in there. _________________ ✠Miklo✠
'55 Type1 "Ozma"
'66 Type1 "Charlotte" RIP
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bobsbug64 Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2010 Posts: 30 Location: washington
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:14 am Post subject: |
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any suggestions to beef this up so it won't snap?
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pOrk Samba Member
Joined: April 03, 2011 Posts: 339 Location: Wauwatosa, Wi
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Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 2:21 pm Post subject: |
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Bob, any larger photos? Did you use square tubing to make the mount? Real hard to tell whats going on there, but it looks like the flat steel could bend down without reinforcing it. Maybe weld a piece of 1/4" steel perpendicular to the lower bag bracket to make it more rigid. And a better photo so I can see it better?
Air Shocks were designed to help support heavy / unstable loads, NOT the entire weight of a vehicle. Remember what a shock was designed for, dampening, NOT carrying.
The only reason this kinda works on bugs is cause there is so little weight in the front end of the car. The very high pressure it will take to lift the car is not going to offer a very good ride up front, but then again if your running 145/65's for clearance I suppose ride quality isn't a huge demand anyways?
I know AirKewld has sold a bunch of kits this way and they seem to work ok without snapping the lower shock bolt off of the torsion arm BUT they only reason he sells them is because people buy them.
This has been argued to death on here and it works but it is NOT the right way to add air suspension to a car. This guy appears to be doing the right things with the rear setup so why not do the right things with the front and have a NICE riding reliable suspension setup on all 4 corners? |
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Airkewld Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2003 Posts: 3152 Location: Goodyear, AZ USA
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