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kyizzle86
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 Posted: Tue Oct 04, 2011 7:40 am Post subject: Rebuild kit? |
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I am starting a rebuild project and I am fairly new to the VW engine world. I was hoping for some input in getting a good rebuild kit - overall quality for the money, etc - what are your suggetions?!
When I pulled the engine, it seemed there were quite a few nuts & bolts either missing or replaced w/non-originals - are there kits that come w/a whole new set of hardware?
Also- for a newbie...are there any steps that I should take to a mechanic instead of trying myself?
Thanks for any help!! 
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RocketRod
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Doesn't Jake Raby sell a hardware kit? Check out his store over at Air Cooled Technology. Most folks decide on what they want their engine to do, detirmine and mic what they have, and order from there. Good luck on your build. And there are many here that have done that with great sucess!
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Daverham
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welcome.
You have a 1976 type 4 motor it appears based on your signature. There are no kits. You have to research and build your own. Jake Raby only sells turnkey motors now - about $12,500 according to a recent thread. If you buy parts and do it yourself you will be looking between $1800 and $5000 depending on the condition of your core parts and whether they are reuseable.
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kyizzle86
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Ok, great! thanks for all the help - I'm sure you haven't heard the last of me 
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Not for a 2.0. Not for a '76. Not what he is looking for.
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Desertbusman
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Best to get that recommended book first. Read and study it then you will be better prepared to ask any remaining questions. And only then will you really know what questions need to be asked. You've got a big task ahead in learning what to do and how to do it.
As far as a kit even if there was one it wouldn't do you much good and that is not the way to go. All of the parts need to be selected individually. You will need to research what's involved with about each and every component. You might start looking for a suitable T-4 specific experienced machine shop. They are very few and far between, but essential to have one to deal with. As far as parts go you will be probably be buying some of them from the shop that you deal with. And other parts from online vendors.
So to recap- Get and study the book to see whats involved. Do that first.
Plan on a lot of coin and taking a long time to do it. And have fun with your project.
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kyizzle86
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OKay, so while I wait for the book to get here, I need to be finding a solid vw mechanic....Is there a place that has a list of trusted mechanics in the diff states? I live in southern Illinois, and as far as I have found...there aren't many mechanics that seem reliable. Of course, I have mostly been searching the internet, etc so the good ones that aren't online are the one's i have probably looked over....
Anyone have some referrals in the southern Illinois area? 
I'm also not opposed to buying a new motor (or rebuilt motor) but I haven't found any in my price range...any input there is good too! Just lookin for direction as I'm new to the engine stuff 
thanks for all the input already and for any more!
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| kyizzle86 wrote: |
OKay, so while I wait for the book to get here, I need to be finding a solid vw mechanic....Is there a place that has a list of trusted mechanics in the diff states? I live in southern Illinois, and as far as I have found...there aren't many mechanics that seem reliable. Of course, I have mostly been searching the internet, etc so the good ones that aren't online are the one's i have probably looked over....
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Armed with the knowledge you will gain from the book you will be better able to measure the mechanic you meet. There are some simple differences in the type 1 to type 4 engines. Know them and you will be ables to assertain the mechanics knowledge. You don't have to be an expert, but be able to spot one. Much reading and answers here and on other forums that pertain to ACVW's as well.
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Seems like this would be a good post to make a list of what would be in a 2.0L engine rebuild kit if there was such an animal.
Here is my contribution:
Heads: rebuilt by reputable builder (example: Adrian at http://vw-offroadmotors.com/) OR
Heads: New (with replaced seats/guides as per Len Hoffman)
Camshaft, Hyd, Reground OR
Camshaft, Hyd, New (Webcam) (drill rivets and reuse old or new gear)
Bearings, camshaft, new
Seal, front and rear main, viton
Hyd Lifters, new (bled with Boston Bob's procedure)
Valve adjustment screws, new
Oil, Pump, type 4 rebuilt or new
(or correct type 1 with modified cover and machined for cam)
Oil cooler, new (arguable)
Piston and cylinder Jug set, with rings
Shims for under cylinders to make up for no head gasket to get correct CR
Crankshaft, balanced and reground
Bearings, crankshaft, new
Gasket set, complete German
Push rod tube seals, Viton
Oil dipstick tube, Viton
Cam plug
Engine rebuild associated parts
Fuel injector seals, new
Fuel lines, rubber, REPLACE ALL
Engine Compartment Seal, new
Engine mounts, new
Engine sheetmetal, find all parts that are missing (new screws)
Engine tin bushings, all (hard to find, make what is needed)
Thermostat, new type 1 if missing or expanded
exhaust stud nuts, copper
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Jalabert
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Probably a dumb question, but in the kit that the earlier poster linked to it listed reground crank and cam - a reground crank I'm familiar with, but is a reground crank a no-no?
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Desertbusman
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Nice summary.
Add rebuilt rods. Dynamic balancing of the whole rotating group. And static weight match/balance of pistons and rods.
I would never do a reground crank but I don't do T-4's either. WIth T-1's there is no difficulty getting parts.
EDIT:
I didn't at all mean crank. I meant to say cam. Keyboard and my mind don't always agree
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Jalabert
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Sorry, my typo - the kit lists reground cams. (?)
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curtis4085
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heres my list for rebuild, its still a work in progress. the last few items I borrowed from this thread. i should also mention this is for my 79 2.0 FI bus
Engine Rebuild Parts
Heads – New AMC (Hoffman Automotive Machine, Blueprint Special) * this part is ordered
auxiliary air regulator - 022-906-045A * I have this part NOS
http://www.busdepot.com/catalog.jsp?model=57&category=15
engine gasket kit 029-198-009 German if possible
http://www.busdepot.com/details.jsp?partnumber=029198009
crank seals 029-105-245B and 021-105-247A
http://www.busdepot.com/details.jsp?partnumber=029105245B
http://www.busdepot.com/details.jsp?partnumber=021105247A
piston and cylinders Mahle 029-198-075
http://www.busdepot.com/details.jsp?partnumber=029198075
rod bearings (you need to know what size you have) OEM Kolbenschmidt 039-105-701
http://www.busdepot.com/view.jsp?model=57&category=15&group=10&prodgroup=98
main bearings (you need to know what size you have) OEM Mahle 021-198-491ABR
http://www.busdepot.com/view.jsp?model=57&category=15&group=10&prodgroup=96
Pilot Shaft Bearing 111-105-313A
http://www.busdepot.com/details.jsp?partnumber=111105313A
Oil Strainer - not sure if I need this as I have one?
http://www.busdepot.com/details.jsp?partnumber=021115175
oil cooler - Would like to talk about a new one and also an external oil cooler mounted on underbody
http://www.busdepot.com/details.jsp?partnumber=021117021B (could reuse your old one)
Camshaft Bearing 021-198-541
http://www.busdepot.com/details.jsp?partnumber=021198541
Push Rod Tube 021-109-335c stainless steel if possible
http://www.busdepot.com/details.jsp?partnumber=021109335C
Push rod tube seals - 021-109-345VK Viton
Motor Mount - German
http://www.busdepot.com/details.jsp?partnumber=021199231CMY
Cam Gear, Lifters and shaft - Webcam camshaft 00-732(this is stock) .. I like stock myself , gear CG-002, lifters 00-914
Cam Plug ? not sure what this is
Oil Pump New
Valve springs and keepers
Shims for under cylinders to make up for no head gasket to get correct CR ?
New injectors and seals- best available
Polish and regrind crank
New rods? Or balanced maybe.
Fuel lines, rubber, REPLACE ALL
Engine Compartment Seal, new
Engine mounts, new german
Engine sheetmetal, find all parts that are missing (new screws)
Engine tin bushings, all (hard to find, make what is needed)
Thermostat, new type 1 if missing or expanded
exhaust stud nuts, copper
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78riviera
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Would the kit from that kustom place Linked to before, be the right kit for my 78 efi 2.0l bus? The 2007cc kit looks.like the right one but I need.somebody to help me be sure. Thanks samba
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| Would the kit from that kustom place Linked to before, be the right kit for my 78 efi 2.0l bus? The 2007cc kit looks.like the right one but I need.somebody to help me be sure. Thanks samba |
No. The only type 4 kit they list is for 1700 and 1800 cc engines, and everything else is for type 1. The 2007cc kit is for a 2007cc type 1 engine which is different in every way from your 2.0l.
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