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roy8518
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Will a 356 porshe engine bolt up to a superbeetles transmission and work?
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It can be made to work with little effort.
Unless you already have one, it's much cheaper to put a hi-po Type 1 engine in.
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I don't speak Porsche very well... but isn't the 356 engine very similiar to the VW 36hp engine?
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It free, like a gift. It has been sitting for about 20 years. But running before. Would I be gaining anything over a 60 hp vw engine which is what I have now?
Does anyone know what has to be done to make it fit and work?
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roy8518
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To the best of my knowledge these engines stock had about 65 hp.
I think they had dual valve springs and could rev easily to 5000rpm
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They will bolt up. BUT you will need to make a few mods to the chassis. The heads are bigger and will require you to cut the metal area out. Also the flywheel on mine is for a 6 volt, requiring the 6v starter. The throttle linkage needs modification. Engine tins will need to be created, mine didn't fit in the Bug engine bay. Depending on what year your Bug is, you will need to get the "Porsche" style clutch/pressure plate with the matching tranny.
Just remember, if anything breaks, since it a Porsche, it WILL cost much more than VW parts. My 356 engine ran great and I had lots of fun with it. It was also modified quite a bit with high compression, 3/4 race cam, heads were ported and a few other things. It was expensive to run since if needed lead for the brass valve seats and high octane gas.
Like the original bug engines, the cranks weren't counterbalanced so you shouldn't rev them above 5500-rpms, more like 5000.
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| It free, like a gift. It has been sitting for about 20 years. But running before. Would I be gaining anything over a 60 hp vw engine which is what I have now? |
The highest hp pushrod engine you could get in a late 356 was 90hp. That engine had twin dual bbl carbs. Does yours?
If you sold the engine to a 356 guy, you could build a 1776cc VW engine and make more hp, while at the same time, have extra $$$ in your pocket.
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| If you sold the engine to a 356 guy, you could build a 1776cc VW engine and make more hp, while at the same time, have extra $$$ in your pocket. |
Very true.
You can sell that old tired engine and get a brand new one that will have more power.
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| If you sold the engine to a 356 guy, you could build a 1776cc VW engine and make more hp, while at the same time, have extra $$$ in your pocket. |
Very true.
You can sell that old tired engine and get a brand new one that will have more power. |
Plus the 356 motor wouldn't be era correct for your super, it would be like putting A flat head in A 69 road runner(just not right  ) now if you can git your hands on say A 60 sliding rag bug,, that motor would be the shit!!!!!!!!!!!!
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That's a bit of a stretch, I mean...The Type 616 engine pushing 90HP with dual 40-P11's were still pretty bitchin' in `71 with the advent of the SuperBeetle...and the first 1600DP Beetle in the US. The 616 engines were produced into 1969 in the last of the 912's,
...40-P11's were being thrown away because of poor throttle bushings and VW guys used to scrounge them to put on Beetle engines. |
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ok you got me its A bit of A stretch,,, But look what guys were doing with the VW 1600 in 1971 for what it would cost for some one to rebeld that 356 motor to do 100HP you could have A VW motor doing 250HP. (maybe another stretch, but A small one)
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| vw_hank wrote: |
ok you got me its A bit of A stretch,,, But look what guys were doing with the VW 1600 in 1971 for what it would cost for some one to rebeld that 356 motor to do 100HP you could have A VW motor doing 250HP. (maybe another stretch, but A small one)
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Hey man,
From old racing tales from my father and lumps of aluminum in the garage I've seen state of the art late 70's cylinder heads that cost tons of money back then - and it wasn't many people who were making more than say ~200hp...I suppose that would probably be a lame motor for say a midget of that era, but impressive for the day none-the-less as they were leading the way in displacement.
The guys that were going real fast on the dragstrips used to rebuild quite often, motors and transaxles weren't lasting 200 passes - they may not be going a whole lot faster these days, but they're doing it a helluva lot longer.
I gotta' give it to the 36'er guys though, they're almost crazier than those pursuing 'Porsche' motors...to be advancing them to the point they have is fantastic.[/i] |
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ok you got me its A bit of A stretch,,, But look what guys were doing with the VW 1600 in 1971 ...
for what it would cost now for some one to rebeld that 356 motor to do 100HP you could have A VW motor doing 250HP. (maybe another stretch, but A small one)
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Hey man,
From old racing tales from my father and lumps of aluminum in the garage I've seen state of the art late 70's cylinder heads that cost tons of money back then - and it wasn't many people who were making more than say ~200hp...I suppose that would probably be a lame motor for say a midget of that era, but impressive for the day none-the-less as they were leading the way in displacement.
The guys that were going real fast on the dragstrips used to rebuild quite often, motors and transaxles weren't lasting 200 passes - they may not be going a whole lot faster these days, but they're doing it a helluva lot longer.
I gotta' give it to the 36'er guys though, they're almost crazier than those pursuing 'Porsche' motors...to be advancing them to the point they have is fantastic.[/i] |
Sorry I ran on, that was supposed to be two different thoughts.
To rebuild that old tired 356 motor now would be far from cheep,, But if its A complete motor the money some one with A 356 would pay would git him A bigger motor then the porch, the only good reason to put that motor in A super is so you can say I have A porsche motor! and most people that know VW's & porch are going to know its A small motor.. Hell I would be more impressed if some one with A super told me thy had A type-4 conversion,, Now you but that 356 motor with all the era parts in A 67 and earlier car  Hell yes!!
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I'm convinced it would be a big job and very expensive to convert to the porche engine, but how about using the 2 intake manifolds and zenith carbs?
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The intakes are not interchangeable.
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| Can you get intake manifolds that would fit the 1600dp and the zenith carbs? |
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Zenith carbs are junk.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the info. I guess I won't accept any of it (porsche engine with zenith carbs).
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Thanks for the info. I guess I won't accept any of it (porsche engine with zenith carbs).
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Your misunderstanding,, GRAB IT!!!!!!!!! you can sell it.. to A Porsche guy this stuff is gold, you can sell it and put the money into your car/motor 
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| I didn't explain fully.. This is a friend of mine and he was going to give it to me to use in my bug. I wouldn't sell it. He could do that |
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