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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:48 pm    Post subject: Throttle shaft vacuum leaks - cheap fix Reply with quote

Have had issue with high idle due to worn throttle shaft vacuum leak. Replacing carb, not affordable if desireable. Being a cheap bastard, I used what Had on hand. I found that a 3 mL syringe outer housing to be a good fit in the carb housing. It was not a tight enough fit on the shaft. I took some waxed thread from my leather work kit and wrapped the shaft to provide a tight fit in the plastic. Since the wax thread seals on itself, it has provided a good seal on the shaft. She idles right nicely now.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm glad it worked for you, for now... I'm not sure how long it will last that way.

Gasoline is a great solvent, and wax is polar... This may be a problem. Look into re-bushing it:

http://shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=129722&hilit=throttle+shaft+bushing
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm glad it worked for you, for now... I'm not sure how long it will last that way.

Gasoline is a great solvent, and wax is polar... This may be a problem. Look into re-bushing it:

http://shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=129722&hilit=throttle+shaft+bushing
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With a vacuum on the inside it should not see at best a minimum of gas. Buys me some time to work on other problems.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm thinking a little duct tape, wrapped around the carb, might last longer d'oh!

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've done backyard repairs to throttle shafts before. I had a Pict 34 3 that was so bad it made a sucking sound as the air whistled past the throttle shaft. It was nearly impossible to make the carb idle. I took it apart and repaired it with half an oring - half on each side with a small washer to put pressure on the oring halves to hold them to the throttle shaft until the vacuum pulled them to the carb body. Worked for great for quite a while - until I was able to buy a set of Kadron carbs. I split the oring with a razor blade.

While I had the carb apart and working on it I needed the car running so I took an old Rochester 1 barrel carb I had laying around that was from an old Chevy 6 cylinder and fitted it to the DP manifold. It made pretty good power and was easy to drive but I kept getting vacuum leaks at the base of the carb since it wasn't quite a match for the VW intake manifold. It also iced up faster than the Solex carb. Adding a VW type throttle arm to the Rochester was easy since I had a torch. I brazed it to the throttle shaft.

I often wondered why nobody ever marketed a manifold for using that old Rochester carb. There was one under the hood of every old Chevy car and truck sitting in the junk yards.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tim Donahoe wrote:
I'm thinking a little duct tape, wrapped around the carb, might last longer d'oh!

Tim


The duct tape would not turn well inside the plastic sleeve. The waxed thread seals and provides enough slip factor that it doesn't bind the shaft so it turns freely.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vwkirb wrote:
I'm glad it worked for you, for now... I'm not sure how long it will last that way.

Gasoline is a great solvent, and wax is polar... This may be a problem. Look into re-bushing it:

http://shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=129722&hilit=throttle+shaft+bushing


Re-bushing is kinda what I did considering the original bushing was plastic. Other than shipping off to be properly reworked, this works for me for the time being.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a guy on eBay selling new throttle shaft bushings. Might look into that instead.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tex, I was just messing with you.

If it works, it works.

Actually, if my 34 PICT 3 needs work again--while it's out being rebushed, or what not, I'll try your idea on an H30/31 that I keep as a spare.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

swhitcomb wrote:
There's a guy on eBay selling new throttle shaft bushings. Might look into that instead.


If you check out some member's reviews on those, they say they are not a good fit all the time. I was considering that.

No problem Tim. Bailing wire and duct tape are essentials in my shop
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back when I had access to a lathe I machined o-ring grooves in the shaft like so...

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...still working after 5 years or so.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joey wrote:
Back when I had access to a lathe I machined o-ring grooves in the shaft like so...

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...still working after 5 years or so.


great work
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 28, 2013 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

New bronze bushings are available - but have an O.D. slightly larger than the original hole.

http://www.rpmbearings.com/bearing-ina-p-a-p-0810-p-14

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