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tolstoy Samba Member

Joined: April 08, 2005 Posts: 243 Location: Ames, IA
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 3:23 pm Post subject: Think I fried my Pertronix |
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Doing some maint on my bus before a trip with the family in a couple of weeks. Somehow during the process a couple of wires came unhooked. Hooked them back up and went to start......lots of turning but no fire. I think the wire from the ignition got put on the neg side of the coil and fried the pertronix. Sound right to you all? All other wires were not moved. _________________ The sun is the same in a relative way, but you're older. Shorter of breath and one day closer to death.
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Desertbusman Samba Member

Joined: June 03, 2005 Posts: 14654 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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Hopefully something else more simple is the problem. But if you did hook up the red and black wire backwards you very possibly did fry it. I did mine backwards once and right away smoke came out of the distributor and the Ignitor had some melting. I think someone said that the latest units won't fry, if so that would be cool. _________________ 71 Superbug
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Randy in Maine Samba Member

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tolstoy Samba Member

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Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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Bus has a tach installed. Wires on coil positive side is a big orange wire with inline fuse which I assume is for backup lights....and red wire going to pertronix as well as to the carb. Neg side of coil has black wire from pertronix, red wire which I believe goes to tach and black wire that follows the tach wire.....I think that black one is what did me in. But mabee the wire I think goes to the tach is the ignition and the black one goes to the tach. If I got those two wires mixed up, would I fry the pertronix? I know that the wires that go to the pertronix were always in the right spot......the ones in question would be mixing up the ignition and the tach wires. _________________ The sun is the same in a relative way, but you're older. Shorter of breath and one day closer to death.
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Randy in Maine Samba Member

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Posted: Thu May 15, 2014 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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Stolen from Amskeptic..... |
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tolstoy Samba Member

Joined: April 08, 2005 Posts: 243 Location: Ames, IA
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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It's fried........can't believe I did that. Don't let anything distract you or you end up costing yourself money.
Hey Randy, nice to be recognized as a Cyclone! Do you have any history with Iowa State?
Tolstoy _________________ The sun is the same in a relative way, but you're older. Shorter of breath and one day closer to death.
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Glenn  Mr. 010

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Stolen from Amskeptic..... |
Tell him its spelled PERTRONIX
And he stole it from Speedy Jim. _________________ Glenn
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Tcash Samba Member

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telford dorr Samba Member

Joined: March 11, 2009 Posts: 3630 Location: San Diego (Encinitas)
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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As mentioned before, get some green and black 1/4" shrink tubing. Put a 1" length on green on the black wire terminal, and a similar length of black on the red wire terminal. Now you have VW standard wire colors: black for power and green for "points" - which every VW mechanic knows... _________________ '71 panel, now with FI
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tolstoy Samba Member

Joined: April 08, 2005 Posts: 243 Location: Ames, IA
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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Got a replacement pertronix installed and she fired right up. Ran kind of rough at first so I was getting ready to re-time it (something I'm not completely confidant in myself). She warmed up and smoothed right out. Drove down the street a ways and seems good to go.
Tolstoy _________________ The sun is the same in a relative way, but you're older. Shorter of breath and one day closer to death.
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Tcash Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 5:56 pm Post subject: Pertronix Module Testing |
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Tom Powell Samba Member

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| telford dorr wrote: |
| ... Now you have VW standard wire colors: black for power and green for "points" - which every VW mechanic knows... |
But the schematic for my '69 camper shows red wire from the battery positive to the headlight switch to the ignition switch and then black wire to the coil. Perhaps the Germans use red for unswitched positive and black for key switched positive and striped wires for other positive wires. I don't know the color of the OG cable from the battery positive to the starter, but I installed a red 2g cable from Pep Boys. Less chance of an error if jump starting.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and wisdom TD. It's not often we can dispute your contributions.
Aloha
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airschooled Air-Schooled

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Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Tom Powell wrote: |
| telford dorr wrote: |
| ... Now you have VW standard wire colors: black for power and green for "points" - which every VW mechanic knows... |
But the schematic for my '69 camper shows red wire from the battery positive to the headlight switch to the ignition switch and then black wire to the coil. Perhaps the Germans use red for unswitched positive and black for key switched positive and striped wires for other positive wires. |
This is correct. The usual markings are:
(1) - points
(15) - key "on" power
(30) - battery +
(31) - ground
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