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Kommercial
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Thats a nice truck. Hey Wade, I thought 60 DC's had the small rectangle in the middle of the gates? |
Yah, the change was in mid60. That is an August 60.
I was told by a car dealer that Silver was the worst color here in the az sun and that is the color he always sees degrade most quickly. He also claimed it was the most popular as well, "the new red" he called it. |
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EverettB 
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splitpile
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7 year old red, AZ sun just eats the red pigment up, plus I used CHEAP ASS PPG OMNI, the WORSE paint on the market
http://thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/169228.jpg
So if you want to get patina real fast in your bus respray with OMNI, 3 years it start to go and continues from there, no buffing will bring the color back. It is funny though that people think it's original paint when thry see it. |
that's the most recent pictures of your paint?
have any more picture of it? |
of which bus? my 23 or my panel
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Old Tunes209
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 5:46 pm Post subject: O.G paint |
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Can someone explain to me why o.g paint is a big deal?  |
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Lind
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: O.G paint |
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| Can someone explain to me why o.g paint is a big deal? |
do you ever watch the antiques road show? its like when someone brings in a rare table or chair that they have had refinished. the appraisers like to make an example out of those people telling them how they have devaued their antique from many thousands of dollars down to a few hundred because it was redone. it is not quite as extreme with VWs, but the comparison is very valid.
original paint is just that, original. it will only be that way once. once it has been bodyworked and painted, then it will always be redone.
ocassionally people are able to remove repaint and make it look good, but usually repainted buses have been bodyworked to the point that it is not possible to get the OG paint again.
when a bus is bodyworked and repainted, it is always a different quality level than original. sometimes it is better, but usually it is worse. body filler will not last for many decades on a car that is actually being driven. when a bus gets dented where there is body filler, the filler cracks out. when it is original paint, it just gets dented and scratched. it is a lot less noticable on an original paint bus that already has a few bumps and bruises. it is a lot harder for an OG paint bus to lie about its body condition. if it has not been repainted, you can see that there is no bondo in it.
OG is more than just paint, it is overall condition and look. it is certainly not for everyone. like coffee or beer, it is an acquired taste. many people acquire the taste after bas experiences with redone buses. whether it is spending $20k restoring a bus that is worth $8k when they are done, or getting an $8k "restoration" that needs $8k more in work to be a $5k bus, there are many horror stories out there from people who have not realized what is being hidden by the painted lady.
also, there are many levels of OG. there is totally original strong OG paint with no fading all the way down to OG paint with heavy fade to primer and beyond.
patina compared to strong OG paint:
and another view:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/68661.jpg
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Old Tunes209
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:13 pm Post subject: O.G paint |
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Thank you for the information "Lind" I never thought of O.G paint that way.But that makes perfect sense. And no I dont watch antiques roadshow, but i watch Lawrence Welk!  |
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RobzKombi
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:14 pm Post subject: Re: O.G paint |
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pyrOman
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| Posted: Thu Mar 31, 2005 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: O.G paint |
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| Old Tunes209 wrote: |
| ... no I dont watch antiques roadshow, but I watch Lawrence Welk! |
You are a sick man!
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kintail
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Just have to ask a question if we are using the antique table and Roadshow example........
If you take rubbing compound or other abrasive technoique to OG paint to bring it back, aren't you removing the patina by strict definition?
Likewise a vehicle that has been repainted over OG and then taken back to OG by the many techniques mentioned in this thread....... usually there will be some "damage" to the OG paint (down to the primer) no matter how carefully one tries. Restored OG patina?
Roadshow example would say that any method of cleaning that involves an abrasive procedure damages the patina (natural aging) and therefore has dramatically less value.
So patina would involve leaving it alone as found, faded and/or rusty; maybe light oil or wax application.......
Would pay more for a low mileage original, with higher quality OG paint just lightly waxed and not damaged in anyway...... Anything more to "restoring the patina" should be less in value.... |
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Lind
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Just have to ask a question if we are using the antique table and Roadshow example........
If you take rubbing compound or other abrasive technoique to OG paint to bring it back, aren't you removing the patina by strict definition?
Likewise a vehicle that has been repainted over OG and then taken back to OG by the many techniques mentioned in this thread....... usually there will be some "damage" to the OG paint (down to the primer) no matter how carefully one tries. Restored OG patina?
Roadshow example would say that any method of cleaning that involves an abrasive procedure damages the patina (natural aging) and therefore has dramatically less value.
So patina would involve leaving it alone as found, faded and/or rusty; maybe light oil or wax application.......
Would pay more for a low mileage original, with higher quality OG paint just lightly waxed and not damaged in anyway...... Anything more to "restoring the patina" should be less in value.... |
the example is not exact, but it is close.
there are differing opinions on how to clean and preserve original paint, but most everyone agrees that original buses need to be cleaned and preserved. cleaning a bus is a long stretch from repainting it, perhaps akin to dusting off the furniture rather than deep cleaning or stripping and refinishing it.
many people also disagree at which point a bus is so far gone that it needs to be restored. personally, I put the line at about 50% original paint. thankfully, everything I have is well above that line. I think that my most faded bus is at about 20%-30% down through the upper color. my least faded bus had no fade at all.
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Erik G
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I having a problem getting down to the original top color, L87, without going all the way through to the Mouse grey. there is a top layer of white spray paint thats thick, and removing it without removing the L87 is difficult at best.
Anybody think I'll have a problem getting some paint colormatched, and then spray it where the L87 is gone. I could then wet sand the spot lightly to help it match the rest. Anyone think I'll have problems or is this sacralege? there is body work to be done, so I'll need to colormatch both colors anyways.
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BryanM
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Just have to ask a question if we are using the antique table and Roadshow example........
If you take rubbing compound or other abrasive technoique to OG paint to bring it back, aren't you removing the patina by strict definition?
Likewise a vehicle that has been repainted over OG and then taken back to OG by the many techniques mentioned in this thread....... usually there will be some "damage" to the OG paint (down to the primer) no matter how carefully one tries. Restored OG patina?
Roadshow example would say that any method of cleaning that involves an abrasive procedure damages the patina (natural aging) and therefore has dramatically less value.
So patina would involve leaving it alone as found, faded and/or rusty; maybe light oil or wax application.......
Would pay more for a low mileage original, with higher quality OG paint just lightly waxed and not damaged in anyway...... Anything more to "restoring the patina" should be less in value.... |
I worked for several years in the antique business and can tell you that cleaning an antique is no big deal. What you want to do is remove grime , dirt, and residue left by various agent (more often than not tobacco stains).
If you take a piece of furniture that is grimey you want to wipe it down with a cleaner like windex to clean it ,then clean it again with a moisturizer like "restore-a-finish" that brings out the original finish using the finest steelwool and then wax it with a top quality furniture wax. When finished you have managed to clean the piece, conserve the original finish without destroying it and then protecting it anf losing no value. Value is lost when you strip to bare wood and refinish.
Likewise with a bus, you will clean the paint, then conserve it, then protect with wax.
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Man lind, that standard of yours is beautiful. I sould be getting one like it day after tomorow.  |
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It's only orignal once.
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Lind
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| Man lind, that standard of yours is beautiful. I sould be getting one like it day after tomorow. |
thanks. it was the nicest original one that I could find. and it lived its entire life less than two miles from where I grew up. its half a mile over now, but in the same neighborhood.
post some pictures after you pick up yours. I always love to see more SG/PG buses on the road.
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Saw this today. 55 Single Cab.
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| OG Paint Dove Blue single cabs are played out! |
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Rain's Westy
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Og paint is realy where it is at if youn drive the hell out of your bus as I do. My 66 westy sees hundreds of miles of forest service roads, power line acess roads and goat paths every year .The orignal paint vw used is incredably durable stuff and the brush and brambles rairly even smudge the stuff.
I put a coat of wax on it twice a year and that is about it.
I wish my two deluxes or my bug had og paint but sadly the 56 oval was basterdised with this offal metalic green crap in the 70s that had faded to primer when I got it. the 67 ,21 had to much rust and was sprayed below the belt in the late 70s and the 56, 23 was not only a crysty basterd but below the belt it had been resprayd with this shitty paint that had faded to peptobismal pink.! |
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| You need to jump on that Single Cab. Or at least get the VIN #. |
It's sold already. It's a Hanover, Sept 55.
Could've bought it for cheeep sight unseen, but I wimped out. Oh well, new owner will be VERY happy with it!
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