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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If #7 is radiused... its used..and generally not reuseable

Replace with the new one in the axle bearing kit...

Hopefully you have the axle bearing seal kit ???

This is for one side.. Universal kit..
Beetle uses 1 gasket
Bus uses 2 gaskets


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:53 pm    Post subject: 67 rear axle Reply with quote

Ah, then that would explain my recurring leak. I thought the part in the kit was a new #13 oil deflector. Are they interchangeable? Perhaps my using the earlier drum has forced the o-ring into the spacer distorting it.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The oil deflector #13 is a little thicker and wider (not included in cheap kits) and it is totally captured between the axle seal and the 65 up shrouded bearing cap. You have to remove the axle seal from the cap to remove the #13 oil deflector.
Most of us just clean and reuse the #13..

Supposidly.. Wolfsburg West and others sells the kit with both inner #7 and outer #13.

Click here.. you can see the difference in sizes..
http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=111598051A

Note ^ .. its not in the description...

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#13 info.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=416443

drscope wrote:
I have a cruddy one here that measures

O.D. 2.290 inches 51.54mm

I.D. 1.186 inches 30.14mm

Thickness 0.038 inches 0.97mm



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some techniques for avoiding swingaxle seal leaks;

Ensure the spacer is installed in the correct direction, so the small o-ring can fit into its internal chamfer.

Ensure the spring on the lip seal wasn't partially rolled off the rubber lip when the spacer was pushed onto the axle and into the lip seal. The way to avoid rolling the lip seal/spring is, before the seal/bearing holder is installed, slide the spacer into the seal first and then check the back side of the lip seal and make sure the spring hasn't rolled off and the rubber lip hasn't turned under. Then you install the bearing/seal retainer and spacer as an assembly onto the axle and backing plate

Another problem is if the large O-ring gets pinched. Ensure the large O-ring is slipped all the way down over the outside of the bearing before the bearing/seal retainer/spacer assembly is installed.

Another mistake is to use both gaskets in the kit. Only one is used on a bug.

Ensure the axle nut is correctly torqued.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 5:47 am    Post subject: Re: Long axle long spline brake drum ,help Reply with quote

Did you end up using that backing plate? I cannot find that exact one for the life of me!

Here is a picture of mine anyone have one?

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 7:11 am    Post subject: Re: Long axle long spline brake drum ,help Reply with quote

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Did you end up using that backing plate? I cannot find that exact one for the life of me!

Here is a picture of mine anyone have one?

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I see an early bearing cap, correct from 1958-1964. It will work up to the 1967 long axle tube, but not on the 1968 long axle tube. It has no #13 oil deflector.

If you are using the bearing cap that lacks built in deflector then you don't need any paper gaskets. The large o ring seals the outside of the gearing and the small o rings seals the inside of the bearing from leaks. The seal in the bearing cap seals against leaks through the bearing. Unless you have early drums with the oil slinger clipped inside you have no backup system to keep gear oil off the brakes if you develop a leak. That is how my Buggy is set up, using the '58-'64 bearing cap and brakes with '67 long axles and tubes on no oil slinger.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 11:25 am    Post subject: Re: Long axle long spline brake drum ,help Reply with quote

Thanks EVFun do you know where I can get a matching backing plate to the one I have pictured? I need a right rear. I cant find a matching one with out the guides on the top.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 12:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Long axle long spline brake drum ,help Reply with quote

I'd hit up the classifieds here on theSamba. You are looking for a 1958-1964 backing plate. The 1965-1967 plate looks similar but has the resting spots for the brake shoes by the wheel cylinder and adjusters. I have seen them listed wrong, but if they provide decent pictures in the ad you can tell if it is what you want. 1968 and newer are easy to tell from the older ones because they have holes in the backing plate to adjust the brakes.

This looks like a pair of the needed backing plates. I don't see the weep hole and the shoe bottoms appear to be flat pre-'65 type.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 6:35 am    Post subject: Re: Long axle long spline brake drum ,help Reply with quote

Thank you for your help! Put my weeks of searching to shame.
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