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hazaa
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 Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 4:13 am Post subject: T2 front beam remove help |
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Hellp me. I try to remove front beam but it just dont come off. I took out all 4 screws from eatch side and beam just dont come down. I tryed to hit with hamer nothing. Than i straped to it metal beam on witch on each side tryed to jump and it just dont move.
What else i can try? |
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ccpalmer
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 5:08 am Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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25 years ago I was removing my first beam and it turned out it was welded to the frame. Might check for welds...
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hazaa
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 6:29 am Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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No there was no welds.. still siting in garage and thinking...
Do i have to take all brakes off and torsions out or i can leave them? |
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novetti
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 6:29 am Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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| Shifter rod removed? |
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hazaa
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 6:31 am Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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| novetti wrote: |
| Shifter rod removed? |
Not yet. Still thinking how to remove sifter but the bean is not even moving for few mm. Its just standing in bolt places. If that would be shifter rod than the beam would at least move |
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hazetguy
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 6:50 am Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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shift rod not removed yet? oh boy.
what year is it? power assisted brakes?
drag link removed? e-brake cables removed? brake hoses disconnected?
chances are that it is rusted in place. as long as the bus is safely supported on jack stands or a lift, you can try just kicking the beam/brakes and it should loosen up. it's heavy enough that once you break it loose it should want to fall/slide out. or take a floor jack and lift/move the beam a bit to free it. |
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Manfred58sc
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 7:22 am Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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Please remove the shift rod before it gets hurt. I've had very rusty beams that took 2 days of "soaking" with a mixture of 50% ATF (automatic transmission fluid) and 50% acetone to overcome the corrosion. Then I had a helper and we both hit the upper trailing arm with a 5 lb short handled sledge handle it it dropped. Best of luck, maybe post a picture?
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hazaa
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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can you please tell whats the best way to remove shift rod?
try to hit as hard as i could but it didnt moved
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SGKent 
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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can you jack it up enough to get bolts back in it to hold it until you remove the items holding it up? It will roll over when it comes out so be VERY careful lest not to have a body part crushed.
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timvw7476
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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dropping the front beam is the most dangerous R & R on a bus, especially
when it pretends it's fixed in place.
if you have steel-toed boots, wear them & keep helpers away from your
drop area-it's like felling a tree-stuff can go very wrong.
I would remove hubs & rotors, maybe torsion leaves & arms too,
the beam is quite heavy even when empty. |
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Manfred58sc
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| Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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Follow the shift rod back (towards the rear of the Bus) and you will see it intersect with another rod (know as the coupler). There is a screw that you have to remove ( soak with oil/PB Blaster first) and then the shift rod will come out. Also you must remove the drag link ( it comes from the steering box), you will need a "pickle fork" for that. I would also remove the brakes from both sides so that the backing plate does not get hurt when it drops. Your Bus looks a bit rusty, soak well before any more banging....
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hazetguy
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| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 11:10 am Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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| is it out yet? |
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mikedjames
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| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 11:41 am Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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If the damage to the hub in your picture is you hitting it, then you are not going to be able to hit it hard enough, as you are hitting a springy part - there are suspension torsion springs etc in the way .. and you are smacking on the bearings too.
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hazaa
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| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 1:04 pm Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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| SGKent wrote: |
| can you jack it up enough to get bolts back in it to hold it until you remove the items holding it up? It will roll over when it comes out so be VERY careful lest not to have a body part crushed. |
i dont need to jack it up, because i can put bolts in with out any problems, after all the hitting it hasnt moved even 1 mm.... |
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hazaa
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| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 1:07 pm Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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| mikedjames wrote: |
| If the damage to the hub in your picture is you hitting it, then you are not going to be able to hit it hard enough, as you are hitting a springy part - there are suspension torsion springs etc in the way .. and you are smacking on the bearings too. |
i also thote about it, but if i take brakes and hubs off, than i will not have place where to hit...
I put dot brake flued on to soak it so will look how it will look after 2 days  |
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Manfred58sc
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| Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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You can hit on the upper trailing arm after you remove the brake items. Soak with some diesel fuel if you don't have anything else (Brake fluid??).
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hazetguy
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| Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2016 9:23 am Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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| hazaa wrote: |
| I put dot brake flued on to soak it so will look how it will look after 2 days |
It's gonna look like someone stripped your paint. Brake fluid, seriously?
To be brutally honest, you should not be working on this vehicle. You are endangering yourself and possibly others, not to mention it really sounds like you have minimal to no mechanical skills or knowledge of basic procedures.
Why the need to remove the beam in the first place? |
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hazaa
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 12:18 pm Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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| hazetguy wrote: |
| hazaa wrote: |
| I put dot brake flued on to soak it so will look how it will look after 2 days |
It's gonna look like someone stripped your paint. Brake fluid, seriously?
To be brutally honest, you should not be working on this vehicle. You are endangering yourself and possibly others, not to mention it really sounds like you have minimal to no mechanical skills or knowledge of basic procedures.
Why the need to remove the beam in the first place? |
Brake fluid (dot) eats rust very good also  and its very strong so it have helped me before also.
iam not the most advance mechanic in the world ( i would say iam not mechanic, just ordinary guy how likes to play in garage in free time), but i love to work and love to try and iam learning from all this process for me its normal to ask stupid questions if i dont understand some thing, but if i brake some thing i buy new in place and keep working, so learning from my mistakes, i have rebuild in my life corsa B wit 2.0 16v turbo charged engine, i have restore MB SL 1979, VW caddy mk1 ( last summer put in 1.9 tdi engine) and in all my project i learned some thing new
so all will be good dont worry, next summer i will put my dh bike in and will drive to france with it and have fun for few weeks in alps
i want to remove beam so i can sand blast all bottom of the buss and change rusted metal, so in January i can give buss for painting. and also i want to make roterize so at the place where is beam i want to put holders for roterize. |
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SGKent
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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I don't think anyone is being cautious because they are worried about whether you succeed or fail. They are concerned because the beam is so heavy that it will kill or maim you if it falls on you. Think weight of a V8 engine falling on you.
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Starbucket
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 1:32 pm Post subject: Re: T2 front beam remove help |
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| A Motorcycle lift (used for winter storage for bikes) works great to catch the beam and you can stop damage from falling and roll it out easy. The 50-50 mix of ATF and Acetone IS the BEST penetrating oil and will loosen it up in a few hours. Plus the lift works great for removing the motor. |
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