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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 8:14 pm    Post subject: Re: 65' Father-Daughter project Reply with quote

Great going to start your mechanical skills on a Beetle!

My VW friend moogie32 utilized paint stripping work to get to the original turquoise paint on her Ghia cabriolet. Her technique took a long time but she ended up with excellent results. You could try some of that to bring back that nice dark green on yours. Look here, starting on page 31-
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7...t=moogie32

On your rusty floor pans- did you treat the rust with a converter product after your wire-wheeling, and before the primer?

In this shot- it looks like the driver's pan rear half has an large upward bump from hitting something from below. Have your dad jump on it to push it back down so that it's flat.
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Make sure you install and then use a good set of 3-point safety belts before you start to drive.

You can also fix your cracked/chipped steering wheel yourself. You actually have a '61 thru '63 wheel, which has a dip at both ends of the center spoke channel. Those dips are so that the half-circle of the stock horn bar clears the wheel. You can keep the horn bar on your car, but the wheel is correctly positioned when those two dips point downward. That is, the Wolfsburg horn button in the center needs to be rotate 1/2 turn. There are plenty of references how to fix the steering wheel; most use epoxy which you shape into the cracks/grooves and sand smooth, then prime and paint the wheel with an ivory/cream colored spray can.

'64 and '65 steering wheels had a slightly different horn bar that had a wider finger pad at each end of the chrome center bar, with no semi-circle ring. Because there was no ring, there were no dips in the wheel center spoke channel. '66 Beetle steering wheels went back to the semi-circle horn ring design but were painted black on nearly all interior colors. Don't worry much about the correctness of your wheel- you can use the one you have; and it will surely be one of the last things you do. Important is that the horn works the way it is now. You can also cheat a bit and just fix/paint the center spoke section, and apply a nice leather lace-on cover to hide the worn rim so that you don't need to paint that. And just do a rough repair of the broken off rim sections with the epoxy.
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This is the horn ring to fit your wheel; should be easy to find good used at swap meets. Make sure the semi circle is not partly broken off the cross-bar, which happens alot-
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For comparison, this is the horn bar which was correct for the '64 and '65 steering wheel-
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 8:53 pm    Post subject: Re: 65' Father-Daughter project Reply with quote

Try using EZoff oven cleaner to remove the paint, it removes a lot of non-factory paints but it doesn't affect the factory paint as much.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:48 am    Post subject: Re: 65' Father-Daughter project Reply with quote

Rome wrote:
Great going to start your mechanical skills on a Beetle!

My VW friend moogie32 utilized paint stripping work to get to the original turquoise paint on her Ghia cabriolet. Her technique took a long time but she ended up with excellent results. You could try some of that to bring back that nice dark green on yours. Look here, starting on page 31-
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7...t=moogie32

On your rusty floor pans- did you treat the rust with a converter product after your wire-wheeling, and before the primer?

In this shot- it looks like the driver's pan rear half has an large upward bump from hitting something from below. Have your dad jump on it to push it back down so that it's flat.
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Make sure you install and then use a good set of 3-point safety belts before you start to drive.

You can also fix your cracked/chipped steering wheel yourself. You actually have a '61 thru '63 wheel, which has a dip at both ends of the center spoke channel. Those dips are so that the half-circle of the stock horn bar clears the wheel. You can keep the horn bar on your car, but the wheel is correctly positioned when those two dips point downward. That is, the Wolfsburg horn button in the center needs to be rotate 1/2 turn. There are plenty of references how to fix the steering wheel; most use epoxy which you shape into the cracks/grooves and sand smooth, then prime and paint the wheel with an ivory/cream colored spray can.

'64 and '65 steering wheels had a slightly different horn bar that had a wider finger pad at each end of the chrome center bar, with no semi-circle ring. Because there was no ring, there were no dips in the wheel center spoke channel. '66 Beetle steering wheels went back to the semi-circle horn ring design but were painted black on nearly all interior colors. Don't worry much about the correctness of your wheel- you can use the one you have; and it will surely be one of the last things you do. Important is that the horn works the way it is now. You can also cheat a bit and just fix/paint the center spoke section, and apply a nice leather lace-on cover to hide the worn rim so that you don't need to paint that. And just do a rough repair of the broken off rim sections with the epoxy.
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


This is the horn ring to fit your wheel; should be easy to find good used at swap meets. Make sure the semi circle is not partly broken off the cross-bar, which happens alot-
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


For comparison, this is the horn bar which was correct for the '64 and '65 steering wheel-
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Yeah, we used rust converter, I forgot to mention a few things.
Will be having my dad push the pan back down, the drivers side pan is really flimsy for some reason.
Still working on it though, we're not yet ready to put the carpet in, still have some prepping to do.

And thanks for the links for the steering wheel, wasn't sure on what I was going to do with it.
Also looked at the link you sent for the paint stripping, looked great afterwards. I don't really know what I'm going to do with it yet and will worry about it after the interior is done.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:48 am    Post subject: Re: 65' Father-Daughter project Reply with quote

TDCTDI wrote:
Try using EZoff oven cleaner to remove the paint, it removes a lot of non-factory paints but it doesn't affect the factory paint as much.


Thanks for the suggestion, will look into it.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:12 am    Post subject: Re: 65' Father-Daughter project Reply with quote

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Love the 1965. I had two in Bahama Blue that I still miss. Last year of the great 40 HP in the US market.


Yeah, unfortunately the engine that came along isn't original to the car, still a 40 hp but 1961.[/quote

Don't sweat this, its still a great engine and 'correct' for your car. The "matching numbers" premium will vanish as people figure out engines can be re-serialised.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:42 pm    Post subject: Re: 65' Father-Daughter project Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2020 9:58 pm    Post subject: Re: 65' Father-Daughter project Reply with quote

Wondering how this project ended up?
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