"VW" brand parts were actually made by Garbe Lahme

[bpmail1]

ohh!!
so i maybe i did somthing wrong while reassemling laverage/fork system that move out pinion on shaft based on solenoid position...

while solenoid is exitaited there is one leverage (the first one moved from solenoid) that push the metal cluch assembly out
and the secondary fork (the second leverage/fork moved from the first one) that push back the plastic ring (i suppose in order do unlock it the shaft clutch assembly)..

if someone have a photo or schema of how it should be assembled il will be very very useful.
i have the workshop manual but this detail is not specified there
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[Eric&Barb]

There are two solenoid circuits in there. One pulls and one holds the starter gear out. Possible the second function has failed.
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[Eric&Barb]

Just took apart one of our starters. If one has

[bpmail1]

[Eric&Barb]

Make sure the connecting bushing part # 211 911 339 A is installed the correct direction.

Plus the friction washer #17 in the transporter workshop manual is fully seated into its gear shaped groove in the very front of the starter. The parts manual exploded diagram shows that:

http://www.oacdp.org/5867part.html

Had to fix these in a starter we got back from the rebuild place. One or both was causing the starter pinion to not fully retract. So one could hear the starter pinion being spun by the engine with ignition switched to "Run" position.
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[tasb]

Here is a batch of Garbe Lahmeyer vacuum advance distributors.

After restoring nine of these in sequence I can add the following information: The vacuum canister labeled 211 905 271 A is the non adjustable version and yields 32 degrees of advance. Thus it is static timed at 0 degrees. The vacuum canister labeled 211 905 271 B is the adjustable advance version. The vacuum canister yields 24 degrees of advance and is static timed at 7.5 degrees BTDC. The adjustment screw does not change the amount of advance it changes the curve of the advance by acting as a damper.

If you have been thinking of having yours restored now is probably the time to do it as I am now in practice and tooled up and there is a significant learning "curve" to these as they are very different from the Bosch distributors. All nine of these have been spoken for.
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[Stocknazi]

Did all the Garbe Lahmeyer distributors use the same points?

Curious if the mechanical and vacume advance Garbe Lahmeyer brand distributors would use the same points?
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[Beetle119]

Hi, I have two GL distributors (one mounted on my '67 Sparkafer and a spare one). Both are equipped with the same points (their OEM part-number is 111998061)
On the web I found some equivalents:

Bosch: 1217999012
GE: 89057189
Echlin: GB3767
AC Delco: E190
BWD: A561
NAPA: CS336

I tried only Echlin (good); the others honestly I don't know.

[tasb]

Even the Uber rare mechanical advance GL distributors used the same points but a different points plate.
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[tasb]

for that matter, the same cap, rotor, and condensers were used throughout production.
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[tasb]

GL points installed in mechanical advance distributor.

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[tasb]

Finally have a small run of the Garbe Lahmeyer distributor badges available:

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There are three versions used during the first half of the 1960's on the vacuum advance units.

113 905 205 B Auust 1960- July 1965

113 905 205 J August 1965- July 1966

113 905 205 L August 1966- July 1968

These were used on Beetles, Ghia's, Buses, and all type III's in limited numbers.
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[vwnut1]

Automobile production has always fascinated me, and the VW Beetle is no exception. I think I have watched every Beetle assembly line video thats available on You Tube. I loved how that got the rear quarter window to seat. They used a rubber mallet!

Toyota started what's know as "lean" manufacturing and had suppliers deliver parts to the factory on a daily basis, no inventory sitting around. Tesla is currently 80% vertically integrated and got so frustrated with a seat supplier that they decided to design and manufacture seats in-house.
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[67rustavenger]

I think Tasb meant these.

Would you happen to have any GL vacuum cans in your spares?
I have a GL dist. But the can is damaged. The little ball on the shaft broke off
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[tasb]

Those vacuum canisters are the trickiest part of the assembly of these distributors. They have to be installed with the ball going underneath the installed points plate- in other words blind. I've made a tool to make the job easier. I've seen a fair number that are broken as you describe. There is a later canister that has flat bar stock for the arm, much better design. You can PM me for a good canister.

Here you can just see the bar stock pull rod passing under the points plate and points spring at the 5 o'clock position..
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[creideahm]

How do you tell the date code on them?

[tasb]

The very rare early mechanical advance distributors (I've only seen four of them in 57 years) have date stamps on them. The vacuum advance distributors do not have a date stamp. The sticker is the only way to designate a date range.
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[fifthcenturycheese]

Tasb,

I have a GL distributor with a 211 905 271A vacuum can that has been sitting for about 30 or more years. Since the distributor has no part number sticker, can one tell what letter suffix it might be simply by identifying the internal parts? From reading this thread and multiple other sources, I think mine might be a 113 905 205 B. If it is, do you sell those part number stickers you printed?

One last question, since you test these on Sun equipment, can you tell where there might be a difference in advance/performance between the GL 205 B and the Bosch 4R5?

The car is an early 64 beetle 40hp, stock correct engine with 28 pict.

Thanks for the info...
Mike

[tasb]

The Garbe Lahmeyer vacuum only advance distributor are all the same interally. The units with the B vacuum canister has a screw which dampens the points plate movement. Since the GL and the R5 are both SVA distributors the best way to plot and advance curve is while installed on an Engine. The GL canisters all deliver about 32 degrees of advance while the Bosch R5 delivers only about 18 degrees. The sticker is available see pics above.
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[glutamodo]

While I've held them in my hand, I've never actually tried to repair, tune up or set timing with a GL distributor, but they really give 32 degrees of advance? I always just went by the chart in the Bentley which said 9.5 to 12.5 degrees, which is 18 to 25 measured at the crank. Or did you mean that they are set to 32 total advance (the middle of that range, 22.5, plus 10BTDC)

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