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Mr. Mike Samba Member

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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 9:58 am Post subject: Rotating crankshaft after rebuild |
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Hello,
I'm rebuilding a 1600 with the Tom Wilson book. Once the case halves are together, how much resistance, if any, should I have when turning the crankshaft? Tom's book refers to no binding while torquing the main-bearing hardware. It rotates without binding, but it takes 12 pounds of torque to rotate. Is this correct or should it be able to turn by hand?
Many thanks!
Mike _________________ 1964 Sedan 6 volt |
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johnr156 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 10:02 am Post subject: Re: Rotating crankshaft after rebuild |
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| With the crank pulley on it should easily turn by hand. |
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scubaseas Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:07 am Post subject: Re: Rotating crankshaft after rebuild |
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12 foot pounds or inch pounds?
How much and what kind of assembly lube is on the crank & bearings?
What temperature is it in the assembly room? _________________ Al
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FeelthySanchez Samba Member

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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: Rotating crankshaft after rebuild |
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12 ft-lbs seems a bit heavy, but others may disagree.
No mention of a torqued flywheel, nor what type/if any lube is utilised.
A complete rebuild? Ala:
Reground (or verified straight) crank, align-bored case w/ correct main bearings installed, bearings properly/correctly seated in place over their dowel pins?
Fingertips should be adequate to spin a properly-lubed crankshaft. If conrods are installed, more resistance should be expected.
If the endplay is not set: preload the crank towards the #1 (thrust) bearing while turning it - o/wise it might be binding. _________________
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chrisflstf Samba Member

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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 3:04 pm Post subject: Re: Rotating crankshaft after rebuild |
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| That sounds too tight. Did you check the main bearing to crank to case dimensions? You may have one on the tight side, or possibly a pinched main bearing by the dowel - very common |
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Mr. Mike Samba Member

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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:02 pm Post subject: Re: Rotating crankshaft after rebuild |
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Thank you all for your replies!
The problem was a pinched thrust bearing, it was not on it's dowel pin. It's seated on the pin now and the assembly can be rotated easily by hand with the case halves torqued.
That was foot pounds, sorry I didn't add that. I'm using sta-lube assembly lube and permatex ultra slick. The garage is a balmy 40ºf
Cheers!
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chrisflstf Samba Member

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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:19 pm Post subject: Re: Rotating crankshaft after rebuild |
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| If you pinched the bearing, you MUST replace it. If you dont, the bearing may seize later |
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scubaseas Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:28 pm Post subject: Re: Rotating crankshaft after rebuild |
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| That was foot pounds, sorry I didn't add that. |
No worries, That was just me being an A** Glad you resolved it. Make sure you have three shims for the end play of around .003" to .005" _________________ Al
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scubaseas Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: Rotating crankshaft after rebuild |
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| The problem was a pinched thrust bearing, it was not on it's dowel pin. |
Before finding this was the case torqued to spec? If so like Chrisflstf is right you may have ruined the rear bearing and need to replace it. Put it in the case without the crank, torque case, measure bearing. If it ain't round it's junk. Think of it as education is expensive. _________________ Al
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Pruneman99 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: Rotating crankshaft after rebuild |
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| AC.net sells single bearings to replace crushed ones. |
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scubaseas Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 4:59 pm Post subject: Re: Rotating crankshaft after rebuild |
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Put #4 bearing on the pin, push down into case all the way, mark it with a fine point sharpie where it meets the case on sides and ends so you can tell where it has to be the next time you assemble it. Ditto#3 and #1 bearing or just eyeball the oil drain "teardrop". Ideally if you had to replace a single bearing it would be the same manufacturer. _________________ Al
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Mr. Mike Samba Member

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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2018 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: Rotating crankshaft after rebuild |
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Thanks again! I suspected it sustained damage from being installed incorrectly and I was about to ask if I should replace it. Thanks for all the information.
Cheers!
Mike _________________ 1964 Sedan 6 volt |
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