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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:52 pm    Post subject: Thumping noise when I turn right? Reply with quote

Ok all, I could use some advice. Yesterday, my 69 started making a thumping noise from the passenger side front when driving straight and more pronounced when I'm turning right. I don't hear it when turning left or at speed. My wheel bearings were a little loose so I adjusted them to about 0.003 inch of play. Noise is still there. I have:
New tie rods and rebuilt torsion arms w/ new ball joints
New tires and alignment
New sway bar bushings
New disc brake conversion with new bearings and brake hoses last weekend.
I'm at loss. If the thump doesn't go away, I will need to take it to someone better than me.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Thumping noise when I turn right? Reply with quote

Was it thumping before the disc brake install?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:19 am    Post subject: Re: Thumping noise when I turn right? Reply with quote

I noticed it a couple days ago, a few days after the disc brake install. I've been driving it every day. The disc brake kit was from socal and used the existing spindles.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:23 am    Post subject: Re: Thumping noise when I turn right? Reply with quote

Check for rocks or nails in your tire tread or other tread defect.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:34 am    Post subject: Re: Thumping noise when I turn right? Reply with quote

Does is make the noise when applying the brakes while driving straight or turning right?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:23 am    Post subject: Re: Thumping noise when I turn right? Reply with quote

Amazing... I am having the exact same issue after my disc brake conversion as well:

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I would like to bring this topic back up because of an issue I am having with the new disc brakes I installed (at least I think it's the brakes...)
After driving for a bit, like just down to the gas station and back, I randomly get a kind of a vibrating shudder along with a kind of grinding sound when I hit the brakes now, like something is rubbing badly. Seems to be coming from the front. Any ideas?


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I have narrowed this down to when I am making a soft turn to the right, and applying the brakes, there is an awful dragging/rubbing. Does not seem to do it when I turn to the left.
I did recently adjust my steering box, to where my steering is pretty tight- could that be a factor as well?
Thanks for any advice/suggestions


I will be watching this thread with interest.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Thumping noise when I turn right? Reply with quote

Swap tires from left to right and see if the problem follows.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 1:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Thumping noise when I turn right? Reply with quote

Probably a dumb question , did you retorque the lug bolts.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Thumping noise when I turn right? Reply with quote

Vwoldbug. Not a dumb question at all as I was doubting myself at first. By the time I double and triple checked the bearing tolerances, I am certain I did retorque the the bolts.
Asiab3, brilliant idea! I'll try that and let you know what happens.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Thumping noise when I turn right? Reply with quote

Tried swapping tires. I could tell just by spinning the wheel that the problem was still there. Swapped tires back and tried adjusting the bearings again...the noise stopped...until I drove the car for a few minutes, then it started again. Mostly when turning right. Brakes seem to decrease it slightly. Wondering if I got a faulty bearing or maybe the spindle just needs more grease between the bearings?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Thumping noise when I turn right? Reply with quote

Did you pack the bearings well?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Thumping noise when I turn right? Reply with quote

As well as I've ever done, but I'm thinking tomorrow I'll try to do them even better.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Thumping noise when I turn right? Reply with quote

Drop spindles? Aftermarket wheels?

Check for interference of wheel weights or rim on lower control arm.

Also check for contact of wheel to caliper. The calipers will tend to strike the weld bead where the center of the wheel is joined to the outer hoop.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:34 am    Post subject: Re: Thumping noise when I turn right? Reply with quote

Ok, I'm at a loss. To answer a few recent questions, stock spindles and wheels. I don't see any clearance issues. I did repack the bearings as well as j could.
I don't have to be making a right turn. I heard the noise most prominently when the wheel is just slightly turned to the right. If I'm driving down the road and I gently swerve back and forth between the left and right sides of my lane, it will start thumping when I'm swerving to the right.
I think I'm either out of my mind or out of my league so I'll just deal with it until I can get a pro to look at it.

Thanks for all the recommendations and advice.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:54 am    Post subject: Re: Thumping noise when I turn right? Reply with quote

Have you tried jacking the front end up and rocking the wheels at 12and 6 oclock, and also 3 and 9 oclock for play in the suspension? This will also show a loose wheel bearing. I know it says you have new parts under there, but it is possible something loosened up or was never tightened.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:07 am    Post subject: Re: Thumping noise when I turn right? Reply with quote

Doc, again your issue sounds exactly like the same issue I had after installing the same disc conversion kit- even down to the "slight turn to the right causing it" part.
I finally seem to have fixed mine (fingers crossed) by re-bleeding the new disc brake calipers (from the TOP bleeder valve only!) and then adjusting the spindle nuts to where they are JUST up against the thrust washers. I did also swap the wheels left to right but I had checked for clearance issues with the tie rods and control arms same as you and saw no problem.
The first time I had bled my brakes after install, I had done it from the bottom valves. I learned later I was supposed to do it from the top valves since air pockets will rise. Sure enough I found some more air in my brake lines- anyway once I had them bled again and everything back together, I don't seem to be having the problem anymore (again, fingers crossed.) You might give that a shot- worth a try at least.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 8:58 am    Post subject: Re: Thumping noise when I turn right? Reply with quote

Maybe gotta check the rear end Brakes and cv’s, Can another person drive with you and confirm it’s coming from the front.?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:08 am    Post subject: Re: Thumping noise when I turn right? Reply with quote

I had this exact problem when i installed my disks as well. Turned out that the trailing arm was just barely contacting one of the weights on the inside of my wheel. are you sure this isnt what is happening for you?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:56 am    Post subject: Re: Thumping noise when I turn right? Reply with quote

Thanks for the new ideas. I'll get under and look again Thursday or this weekend. I'm fairly certain it's coming from the right front. I can feel it in the steering wheel.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 9:49 am    Post subject: Re: Thumping noise when I turn right? Reply with quote

I'd repack the bearings and make sure the nuts are on tight and to spec. If it was there before I'd look at the CV.
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