Hello! Log in or Register   |  Help  |  Donate  |  Buy Shirts New!  See all banner ads | Advertise on TheSamba.com  
TheSamba.com
 
Anyone have experience with electric boat motors?
Page: Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Forum Index -> Off Topic Share: Facebook Twitter
Reply to topic
Print View
Quick sort: Show newest posts on top | Show oldest posts on top View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Big Bull Shooter
Samba Member


Joined: April 28, 2018
Posts: 250
Location: Canadian Rockies
Big Bull Shooter is offline 

PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 2:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Anyone have experience with electric boat motors? Reply with quote

xoo00oox wrote:
Big Bull Shooter wrote:
xoo00oox wrote:
Big Bull Shooter wrote:
xoo00oox wrote:
Big Bull Shooter wrote:
I use an 85# thrust Minn Kota to push my 19.5' freighter canoe on a large lake in the Rockies and will go on 2 to 4 day camping trips. Friends with deeper pockets are using the Torquedos and run at about 20 km/h.


How heavy is your boat? How fast sill it go? What batteries do you use?


My boat itself is about 300 pounds. With 2 or 3 people, 6 or 8 deep cycle, batteries and camping gear, it probably gets close to 1500 pounds. My top speed fully loaded with the 85# Minn Kota is about 6.5 km/h. I just use 27 series deep cycle batteries from Walmart. My friends that use Torquedos are using AGM batteries, and pushing much larger canoes like the 24 foot Hudson Bay freighters. The Torquedos are fantastic if you are willing to spend the money - they even make a 80 hp model!


Interesting, thanks for your information. About how long are you able to run this?

My motor is 24V. If I go full throttle, I can kill 2 batteries in 90 minutes. If I just troll, I can go for days. Now that I see the boat that you plan to build, I would suggest a Torquedo, but I'm not familiar with any other brands other than Minn Kota, which are extremely reliable. As for solar charging, I wouldn't bother putting panels on that beautiful boat, because you won't recover enough power while cruising around. Maybe consider a solar charger set up for where you store your boat. I made my freighter canoe 30 years ago out of cedar, and it is still going strong, but I do work on it almost every year.


This is good to hear, I'd be happy if I could go about 7mph top speed for a bit, then cut back to about 3 for a few hours. Some guys on YouTube have some very impressive electric Kayaks, I saw a few are using the Minn Kota motors, sometimes two of them.
Your canoe sounds nice to be able to hold that weight, do you have any pictures of it?

I've experimented with two Minn Kota motors - my conclusion - burns up twice the battery power with no change in speed.
Here's a pic from last summer. I had just done some major repairs and didn't finish varnishing the bow prior to the trip.
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

Here's a pic from a few years ago 50 kms from the dock. I needed to run a 9.9 hp on it to make it up a river that joins the 2 lakes.
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
oprn
Samba Member


Joined: November 13, 2016
Posts: 6875
Location: Canada
oprn is offline 

PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 5:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Anyone have experience with electric boat motors? Reply with quote

Nice canoe!!

Ours is 22' but not a square sterner. Ugly as sin too not pretty like yours!

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

_________________
I never finish anything, I have a black belt in partial arts!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Big Bull Shooter
Samba Member


Joined: April 28, 2018
Posts: 250
Location: Canadian Rockies
Big Bull Shooter is offline 

PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Anyone have experience with electric boat motors? Reply with quote

Nice tow vehicle!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
xoo00oox
Samba Member


Joined: February 11, 2010
Posts: 2450
Location: East Nassau, NY
xoo00oox is offline 

PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2021 6:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Anyone have experience with electric boat motors? Reply with quote

Big Bull Shooter wrote:
xoo00oox wrote:
Big Bull Shooter wrote:
xoo00oox wrote:
Big Bull Shooter wrote:
xoo00oox wrote:
Big Bull Shooter wrote:
I use an 85# thrust Minn Kota to push my 19.5' freighter canoe on a large lake in the Rockies and will go on 2 to 4 day camping trips. Friends with deeper pockets are using the Torquedos and run at about 20 km/h.


How heavy is your boat? How fast sill it go? What batteries do you use?


My boat itself is about 300 pounds. With 2 or 3 people, 6 or 8 deep cycle, batteries and camping gear, it probably gets close to 1500 pounds. My top speed fully loaded with the 85# Minn Kota is about 6.5 km/h. I just use 27 series deep cycle batteries from Walmart. My friends that use Torquedos are using AGM batteries, and pushing much larger canoes like the 24 foot Hudson Bay freighters. The Torquedos are fantastic if you are willing to spend the money - they even make a 80 hp model!


Interesting, thanks for your information. About how long are you able to run this?

My motor is 24V. If I go full throttle, I can kill 2 batteries in 90 minutes. If I just troll, I can go for days. Now that I see the boat that you plan to build, I would suggest a Torquedo, but I'm not familiar with any other brands other than Minn Kota, which are extremely reliable. As for solar charging, I wouldn't bother putting panels on that beautiful boat, because you won't recover enough power while cruising around. Maybe consider a solar charger set up for where you store your boat. I made my freighter canoe 30 years ago out of cedar, and it is still going strong, but I do work on it almost every year.


This is good to hear, I'd be happy if I could go about 7mph top speed for a bit, then cut back to about 3 for a few hours. Some guys on YouTube have some very impressive electric Kayaks, I saw a few are using the Minn Kota motors, sometimes two of them.
Your canoe sounds nice to be able to hold that weight, do you have any pictures of it?

I've experimented with two Minn Kota motors - my conclusion - burns up twice the battery power with no change in speed.
Here's a pic from last summer. I had just done some major repairs and didn't finish varnishing the bow prior to the trip.
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

Here's a pic from a few years ago 50 kms from the dock. I needed to run a 9.9 hp on it to make it up a river that joins the 2 lakes.
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Those are some amazing pictures! Nice work building that canoe and then using it as many of us dream of using one. How do you decide when to run gas and when electric?
That will hold 1500lbs? You must have paid attention in wood shop!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Big Bull Shooter
Samba Member


Joined: April 28, 2018
Posts: 250
Location: Canadian Rockies
Big Bull Shooter is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 10:00 am    Post subject: Re: Anyone have experience with electric boat motors? Reply with quote

xoo00oox wrote:

Those are some amazing pictures! Nice work building that canoe and then using it as many of us dream of using one. How do you decide when to run gas and when electric?
That will hold 1500lbs? You must have paid attention in wood shop!


I live in a national park, so electric motor or paddling is the only option. I use the gas engine for trips outside of the park. I'm guessing at 1500 pounds, but 3 guys, 8 batteries and glamping gear has got to be close! I never had wood shop in my school, but read the book "Canoecraft" a few times along with some other books. The friend that helped me build it is a wood worker. Also, the West System epoxy is incredibly strong.
I just realized that you are the guy that "Bought the Ghia that sat for 41 years"!
I like how you roll!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
xoo00oox
Samba Member


Joined: February 11, 2010
Posts: 2450
Location: East Nassau, NY
xoo00oox is offline 

PostPosted: Sat Jan 30, 2021 5:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Anyone have experience with electric boat motors? Reply with quote

Big Bull Shooter wrote:
xoo00oox wrote:

Those are some amazing pictures! Nice work building that canoe and then using it as many of us dream of using one. How do you decide when to run gas and when electric?
That will hold 1500lbs? You must have paid attention in wood shop!


I live in a national park, so electric motor or paddling is the only option. I use the gas engine for trips outside of the park. I'm guessing at 1500 pounds, but 3 guys, 8 batteries and glamping gear has got to be close! I never had wood shop in my school, but read the book "Canoecraft" a few times along with some other books. The friend that helped me build it is a wood worker. Also, the West System epoxy is incredibly strong.
I just realized that you are the guy that "Bought the Ghia that sat for 41 years"!
I like how you roll!


About how many miles do you get with your batteries ? That boat is something to be proud of !
Yes, Iím that guy. Usually more of a Vanagon guy but I do have a few other cars.
Iíve always loved the look of those old wooden boats with the really long bow. The Ghia body lines would be a perfect match for the Ď50s style boat.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
xoo00oox
Samba Member


Joined: February 11, 2010
Posts: 2450
Location: East Nassau, NY
xoo00oox is offline 

PostPosted: Thu Feb 04, 2021 8:35 am    Post subject: Re: Anyone have experience with electric boat motors? Reply with quote

Abscate wrote:
You pay about a 4x premium for the battery version, and 2-3 hours is about the max , discharging the battery heavily. I tried them for shore duty in the Cape but went back to ICE outboards


Abscate, what motor and batteries did you have on what size boat?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Big Bull Shooter
Samba Member


Joined: April 28, 2018
Posts: 250
Location: Canadian Rockies
Big Bull Shooter is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 8:34 am    Post subject: Re: Anyone have experience with electric boat motors? Reply with quote

xoo00oox wrote:
Big Bull Shooter wrote:
xoo00oox wrote:

Those are some amazing pictures! Nice work building that canoe and then using it as many of us dream of using one. How do you decide when to run gas and when electric?
That will hold 1500lbs? You must have paid attention in wood shop!


I live in a national park, so electric motor or paddling is the only option. I use the gas engine for trips outside of the park. I'm guessing at 1500 pounds, but 3 guys, 8 batteries and glamping gear has got to be close! I never had wood shop in my school, but read the book "Canoecraft" a few times along with some other books. The friend that helped me build it is a wood worker. Also, the West System epoxy is incredibly strong.
I just realized that you are the guy that "Bought the Ghia that sat for 41 years"!
I like how you roll!


About how many miles do you get with your batteries ? That boat is something to be proud of !
Yes, Iím that guy. Usually more of a Vanagon guy but I do have a few other cars.
Iíve always loved the look of those old wooden boats with the really long bow. The Ghia body lines would be a perfect match for the Ď50s style boat.

This is where I use my boat most of the time:
https://www.pc.gc.ca/en/pn-np/ab/jasper/activ/pass...as/Maligne
To go to Coronet Creek and back is about 44 km or 26 miles, plus all of the back and forth trolling. Six good batteries will suffice for that trip over 3 or 4 days, and if there are just 2 of us, I take 8 batteries.
_________________
Where would this hobby be if no one shipped parts.
crukab
Feb. 11, 2021
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
xoo00oox
Samba Member


Joined: February 11, 2010
Posts: 2450
Location: East Nassau, NY
xoo00oox is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 9:58 am    Post subject: Re: Anyone have experience with electric boat motors? Reply with quote

Thanks for your input. That Maligne Lake is stunning! I wish it were closer than 2200 miles!
Have you considered going with the more modern batteries? I use and am happy with the lead acid ones for my off-grid house but Iím not concerned with the weight and size of them like I will be for my boat. It seems the Lifepo4 batteries are the way to go these days. I need to educate myself more on them.

I contacted the the Elco electric boat motor place through their website and a rep got right back to me in minutes. We went back and forth with a couple emails, turns out he happens to live only about an hour away from me. I told him what Iím building and what my expectations were and he said heíd put together a plan for me and get back to me. A week later I heard nothing do I sent another email to him, 2 weeks later Iíve still heard nothing. So I went back on their website and filled out their online thing to tell them my boat size and weight and what I wanted to do with it and they never replied to that either.
So next I filled out their online form to become a dealer thinking maybe I could get their attention that way, still no response.
-Elco, Iím looking to probably be spending over $4k, itís February- youíre not overly busy selling boat motors, your sales rep guy is an hour away- just stop in and take my money!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Big Bull Shooter
Samba Member


Joined: April 28, 2018
Posts: 250
Location: Canadian Rockies
Big Bull Shooter is offline 

PostPosted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 7:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Anyone have experience with electric boat motors? Reply with quote

I would love to get newer tech batteries, but I don't fish as much as I used to, and can't justify the cost at the moment. It's also very difficult to reserve campsites on Maligne Lake now. You basically have to be online the moment the reservation system opens for the season, just to get one booking. In a few years I'll be looking at upgrading my motor and batteries.
It's unfortunate that Elco has ghosted you. It sucks when companies make it hard to be a customer. I hope they reach out to you soon.
_________________
Where would this hobby be if no one shipped parts.
crukab
Feb. 11, 2021
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
nsracing
Samba Member


Joined: November 16, 2003
Posts: 8511
Location: Northern Virginia
nsracing is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Feb 22, 2021 4:52 am    Post subject: Re: Anyone have experience with electric boat motors? Reply with quote

Where exactly are you gonna mount the giant wind-turbine to charge the batteries? Laughing

You want something completely wind powered = a sailboat.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
xoo00oox
Samba Member


Joined: February 11, 2010
Posts: 2450
Location: East Nassau, NY
xoo00oox is offline 

PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2021 2:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Anyone have experience with electric boat motors? Reply with quote

I decided to go with the Epropulsion Navy 6.0. Anyone considering the Elco I'd urge you to watch as many videos you can on them, I may be wrong but it seems to me that they don't seem to be able to perform anything like the "comparable HP" gas motors do. I can find plenty of videos showing small boats going over 20mph with a 10hp gas motor and I am not finding that of the "9.9 hp" Elco or even going 10mph.

this boat will only go 5.8 mph according to this video...


Link



I have very little boating experience so I'm basing it on what I'm seeing on Youtube, but wouldn't you expect a 20hp to go faster than this?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
xoo00oox
Samba Member


Joined: February 11, 2010
Posts: 2450
Location: East Nassau, NY
xoo00oox is offline 

PostPosted: Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Anyone have experience with electric boat motors? Reply with quote

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.




I picked this up the other day, one thing I have found interesting about it is that the hand control can be used with no wire between it and the motor. It has it's own solar panel on it and uses bluetooth. Drive-by-wire was a little scary when it first came out, drive-by-bluetooth? Seems very strange but I am looking forward to getting it out on a lake once my boat is done.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
xoo00oox
Samba Member


Joined: February 11, 2010
Posts: 2450
Location: East Nassau, NY
xoo00oox is offline 

PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2021 4:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Anyone have experience with electric boat motors? Reply with quote

Getting there!

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.


Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
busdaddy
Samba Member


Joined: February 12, 2004
Posts: 46303
Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, Land of the giant flying moose!
busdaddy is offline 

PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2021 5:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Anyone have experience with electric boat motors? Reply with quote

Woooo....., sexy! Cool

Is that a routed inlay on the plywood?
_________________
Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.

Wanted, OG paint 1971 Niagara blue decklid.

Stop dead photo links! Post your photos to The Samba Gallery!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
xoo00oox
Samba Member


Joined: February 11, 2010
Posts: 2450
Location: East Nassau, NY
xoo00oox is offline 

PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2021 5:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Anyone have experience with electric boat motors? Reply with quote

busdaddy wrote:
Woooo....., sexy! Cool

Is that a routed inlay on the plywood?



Thanks! No, I masked off the area to stay natural color and stained the dark parts then masked off the lines and used white paint then two coats of epoxy sanding each one and one coat of Pettit Captainís varnish. There will be many more coats of varnish before Iím done with it.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
busdaddy
Samba Member


Joined: February 12, 2004
Posts: 46303
Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, Land of the giant flying moose!
busdaddy is offline 

PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2021 5:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Anyone have experience with electric boat motors? Reply with quote

xoo00oox wrote:
busdaddy wrote:
Woooo....., sexy! Cool

Is that a routed inlay on the plywood?



Thanks! No, I masked off the area to stay natural color and stained the dark parts then masked off the lines and used white paint then two coats of epoxy sanding each one and one coat of Pettit Captainís varnish. There will be many more coats of varnish before Iím done with it.

Looks great!, a few more sandings and coats and it'll be like a mirror, nice!

Were the plans and parts list thorough enough?, any surprises so far?
_________________
Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.

Wanted, OG paint 1971 Niagara blue decklid.

Stop dead photo links! Post your photos to The Samba Gallery!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
xoo00oox
Samba Member


Joined: February 11, 2010
Posts: 2450
Location: East Nassau, NY
xoo00oox is offline 

PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2021 5:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Anyone have experience with electric boat motors? Reply with quote

I was totally green going in. I didnít start woodworking until last year and Iíve never even had a boat before other than kayaks and a couple jetskis.
The plans are pretty easy to use. Watching some of the YouTube channels really helps to get an idea of what your getting into. There is a guy named Joshua Burks that has over 50 videos showing his progress building a very similar boat (Glen-L Zip). I suggest watching every one of them if your considering building a small boat like this.
The parts list pretty clear. I probably have about $700-$800 into building this right now not including the motor and batteries.
Itís been a very enjoyable project. Youíre seeing results with each step.


Last edited by xoo00oox on Sat May 29, 2021 7:47 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
busdaddy
Samba Member


Joined: February 12, 2004
Posts: 46303
Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, Land of the giant flying moose!
busdaddy is offline 

PostPosted: Fri May 28, 2021 6:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Anyone have experience with electric boat motors? Reply with quote

Cool!
I've got 40 years in aircraft woodwork, so boat stuff can't be all that challenging, I might just have to give it a try. Very Happy
_________________
Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.

Wanted, OG paint 1971 Niagara blue decklid.

Stop dead photo links! Post your photos to The Samba Gallery!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Gallery Classifieds Feedback
xoo00oox
Samba Member


Joined: February 11, 2010
Posts: 2450
Location: East Nassau, NY
xoo00oox is offline 

PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2021 7:58 am    Post subject: Re: Anyone have experience with electric boat motors? Reply with quote

Do it! If youíre interested in building this boat, Let me know, I ordered two copies of the plans when I got mine. They let you order a second at a reduced price. I could sell a set along with the two booklets that they send out with the plans.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Gallery Classifieds Feedback
Display posts from previous:   
Reply to topic    Forum Index -> Off Topic All times are Mountain Standard Time/Pacific Daylight Savings Time
Page: Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Page 2 of 4

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

About | Help! | Advertise | Donate | Premium Membership | Privacy/Terms of Use | Contact Us | Site Map
Copyright © 1996-2020, Everett Barnes. All Rights Reserved.
Not affiliated with or sponsored by Volkswagen of America | Forum powered by phpBB