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Cusser Samba Member

Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 33417 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 9:27 am Post subject: Re: Electronic Points Conversion |
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| Zundfolge1432 wrote: |
| My friend Cuss has been running same points and condenser since the 70s. |
For the record: I have been running two German 009 distributors in my two VWs since the 1970s but the points have been replaced periodically, just not the condensers.
The distributors have not been apart or rebuilt.
I would say if replacing/setting points and checking/adjusting ignition timing is a tough task for someone, don't even try to do a valve adjustment, brake adjustment, etc. Such person is NOT a good candidate to drive/maintain/own a 50-year-old VW. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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BenJAMin Samba Member
Joined: February 01, 2004 Posts: 528 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 9:32 am Post subject: Re: Electronic Points Conversion |
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I've had the same Pertronix in the same SVDA Bosch distributor since 2002. Also, just to be contrarian, I also have hydraulic lifters and 4 wheel discs. These cars can be relatively maintenance free if you so choose.
IF, the pertronix ever goes I have a cell phone and a AAA membership and would probably switch to 123. I have a 123 in my Citroen with 150k miles on it and it's never failed. |
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Jimbug57 Samba Member

Joined: October 08, 2002 Posts: 817 Location: Mid Michigan
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 9:49 am Post subject: Re: Electronic Points Conversion |
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All righty then. We sure have some passion on this topic. I ordered the parts I need from VW NOS, and I ordered a Compufire kit as suggested by vamram. Now on Christmas morning I'll be happiy rebuilding my 205 M with a smiling Mrs. Jimbug by my side. What fun! I've always been curious about electronic ignition in my bug. Now I'll be able to try for myself.
And just for the record, I can swap a distributor on the side of the road in the dark in a blizzard before any of you can do anything inside your distributor much less find a number for a tow truck - I'll be long down the road. And fyi I scribe a timing mark at the base of all my distributors. I've been doing that on these 205 M's with points in 'em for what, 50 years now.
I guess I could buy a box of points and condensers instead with the $120 I spent on the Compufire, but it wouldn't be nearly as much fun Christmas morning. _________________ Repeat after me "I am smarter than metal!" |
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Cusser Samba Member

Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 33417 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: Electronic Points Conversion |
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| Jimbug57 wrote: |
| I've always been curious about electronic ignition in my bug. Now I'll be able to try for myself. |
Call me when you've been driving a VW for 49 years like I have.....
By the way: quite a few nice people call me every week to see if I want to extend my car's warranty.....
_________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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toxicavenger70 Samba Member

Joined: July 28, 2019 Posts: 882 Location: CO
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 2:33 pm Post subject: Re: Electronic Points Conversion |
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| I run a stock distributor with a back up Petronix under the hood. Last year the mount plate for the points broke on my distributor while I was driving. The Petronix got me home. Run what YOU want to run. |
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Airstream65 Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2019 Posts: 172 Location: Tulsa,Ok
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 3:17 pm Post subject: Re: Electronic Points Conversion |
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| As I have learned in my 50 years around the sun, as we age our memories become somewhat “filtered”, kind of like the people that tell you they used to pull out their 300 lb Vw engine in a parking lot while resting it on their chest, while a buddy rebuilt it, or they have had the same set of points running for 50 years! Maybe it’s true, but not likely. The older we get, the less likely we are to embrace change, be it technology or whatever… I’m guilty of this to a degree, but I do like new innovations. In closing, I will roll the dice on my electronic module in lieu of points and keep adjusting my own valves, but if I have any questions I know who to call about my beetles car warranty!😙 |
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Xevin  Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: Electronic Points Conversion |
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I thought I read the answer to the original question in one of these post
I run Pertronix replacement points in the 72 bus because it’s a pain to adjust points in the in the bus. However in the 74 bug. I run quality points. Super easy to deal with points in a bug. And yes. I keep spare points in bug. I also keep a spare Pertronix replacement in the bus. I was given the Pertronix module and spare for the bus. I still favor points and condenser overall. But seriously. Experiment and explore. Part of the fun running these old VWs. _________________ Keep on Busin'
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GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
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Damn that Xevin...  |
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I respect Xevin and he's a turd |
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My God! Xevin and I 100% agree |
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tasb The Distributor Distributor
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 6840 Location: Pentwater, Michigan
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: Electronic Points Conversion |
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As above, point being that points and condenser are no issue at least not for me. To the OP there are at least four different "205 M's ' used by VW over the years. The 205 is VW code for "distributor"- all 305 different versions. 111 905 205 M, 113 905 205 M, 311 905 205 M, 043 905 205 M. I was not able to determine which you had in order to answer your original inquiry. Glad others took a stab at it. _________________ Roads Scholar
1957 Kombi low mileage 36 hp governor equipped M 178 Slow Drag Winner 2014, 2015, 2018
1965 hardtop Deluxe Microbus owned since 1990 M 620 factory 12 v 1500cc
1961 (October)Single Cab- Road Trip Workhorse
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KTPhil  Samba Member

Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 36287 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:29 pm Post subject: Re: Electronic Points Conversion |
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| Cusser wrote: |
Call me when you've been driving a VW for 49 years like I have.....
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Don't you mean:
Or maybe:
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Airstream65 Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2019 Posts: 172 Location: Tulsa,Ok
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: Electronic Points Conversion |
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| I think Cussers phone uses points and condenser! |
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Xevin  Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2014 Posts: 8967
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: Electronic Points Conversion |
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| Airstream65 wrote: |
| I think Cussers phone uses points and condenser! |
Just kidding Cuss _________________ Keep on Busin'
| 67rustavenger wrote: |
GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
| Clatter wrote: |
Damn that Xevin...  |
| skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
I respect Xevin and he's a turd |
| SGKent wrote: |
My God! Xevin and I 100% agree |
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Cusser Samba Member

Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 33417 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:35 pm Post subject: Re: Electronic Points Conversion |
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People - that's my REAL phone. Cost me $7 shipped with battery and 2 chargers. I can make calls and receive texts; sending texts takes me a while. No pictures, or picture taking capabilities. Recommended by hit men world-wide !!! _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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OTTO 1303 Samba Member

Joined: March 17, 2020 Posts: 718 Location: Louisiana
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 8:41 pm Post subject: Re: Electronic Points Conversion |
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| Cusser wrote: |
| I would say if replacing/setting points and checking/adjusting ignition timing is a tough task for someone, don't even try to do a valve adjustment, brake adjustment, etc. Such person is NOT a good candidate to drive/maintain/own a 50-year-old VW. |
Agree
You have to be able to do these things, or at least know someone that can, and at a moments notice.
Otherwise, you won't be driving and enjoying the ride, you will be damaging it or stuck on the side of the road.
As far as electronic ignition, they are convenient and more modern trigger
However, I prefer points to trigger the coil. _________________ 74 Super Sun Bug - OTTO
74 Super - DANZIG
74 Super - HERZOG
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sb001 Samba Member

Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 10472 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 9:25 pm Post subject: Re: Electronic Points Conversion |
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| Cusser wrote: |
I would say if replacing/setting points and checking/adjusting ignition timing is a tough task for someone, don't even try to do a valve adjustment, brake adjustment, etc. Such person is NOT a good candidate to drive/maintain/own a 50-year-old VW. |
How can someone know how to drive a manual transmission but not know how to do this stuff _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
Solex 30 PICT 3 carburetor
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Glenn  Mr. 010

Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 80319 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2021 2:14 am Post subject: Re: Electronic Points Conversion |
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| sb001 wrote: |
| Cusser wrote: |
I would say if replacing/setting points and checking/adjusting ignition timing is a tough task for someone, don't even try to do a valve adjustment, brake adjustment, etc. Such person is NOT a good candidate to drive/maintain/own a 50-year-old VW. |
How can someone know how to drive a manual transmission but not know how to do this stuff |
Is that why you have an autostick? _________________ Glenn
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MuzzcoVW Samba Member
Joined: February 21, 2018 Posts: 1574 Location: Westfield, MA.
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Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2021 4:23 am Post subject: Re: Electronic Points Conversion |
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| Just my opinion, with the quality of points.. well specifically condensers I have been able to get lately I decided to switch to pertronix on my '75 and am very glad I did. New proper coil to go with it and it idles smoother than ever. If your worried about a failure screw the points...carry an extra module. They aren't that expensive in the grand scheme of owning an old car |
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Glenn  Mr. 010

Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 80319 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2021 5:37 am Post subject: Re: Electronic Points Conversion |
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| MuzzcoVW wrote: |
| Just my opinion, with the quality of points.. well specifically condensers I have been able to get lately I decided to switch to pertronix on my '75 and am very glad I did. New proper coil to go with it and it idles smoother than ever. If your worried about a failure screw the points...carry an extra module. They aren't that expensive in the grand scheme of owning an old car |
autistic?
NOS condensers are available in the classified for not much more than new.
The condenser on my 010 is 50 years old and I've been using it for 14 years. _________________ Glenn
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MuzzcoVW Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2021 5:54 am Post subject: Re: Electronic Points Conversion |
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| Glenn wrote: |
| MuzzcoVW wrote: |
| Just my opinion, with the quality of points.. well specifically condensers I have been able to get lately I decided to switch to pertronix on my '75 and am very glad I did. New proper coil to go with it and it idles smoother than ever. If your worried about a failure screw the points...carry an extra module. They aren't that expensive in the grand scheme of owning an old car |
autistic?
NOS condensers are available in the classified for not much more than new.
The condenser on my 010 is 50 years old and I've been using it for 14 years. |
Autistic, what? Yes I was running old condensers for a while however after seeing whats being sold as new for points compared to the old ones I decided to switch. I don't have a problem with using them, just didn't want the hassle of mixing and matching what's still reliable. |
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gt1953 Samba Member

Joined: May 08, 2002 Posts: 13957 Location: White Mountains Arizona
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Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2021 7:26 am Post subject: Re: Electronic Points Conversion |
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Go ahead and convert to a pointless system. I am from the last century so I am stucj with points. When travelig is involved I carry a fuel pump, coil, and oh wait a German 009 distributor complete with clamp. That way if it is a distributor related problem I swap it out. The swapped distributor is already set and timed. That is why the clamp is on it.
What ever works and you are comfortable with. _________________ Volkswagen: We tune what we drive.
Numbers Matching VW's are getting harder to find. Source out the most Stock vehicle and keep that way. You will be glad you did.
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72 Squareback
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heimlich  VWNOS.com

Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 7564 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Fri Nov 12, 2021 10:34 am Post subject: Re: Electronic Points Conversion |
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Pertronix used to have a drop down on their website where you could pick your distributor and it would tell you which kit to get. Call the number on their website and provide them with your distributor number. There are two numbers on your distributor: a Bosch one and a VW one. Ask them which one they need. They should then be able to tell you the kit to order. _________________ www.vwnos.com [email protected]
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