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earlywesty Samba Member

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Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 4:31 am Post subject: Re: Post Barndoor, Wolfsburg Bus Features And Changes |
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EverettB wrote: |
rocketpower wrote: |
Does anyone know what style headlight glass, came on early Wolfsburg busses,NAS spec April. There seems two be two options late barn door with the vestigial oval and non oval. |
April, 1955 would still be with the vestigial oval AFAIK |
I am wondering how you know this. I have been trying to figure early '55 non-barndoor headlight glass for a while, both NA and euro spec. I thought I had euro sorted but I wish there was a definitive source of information to reference, do you know of one? |
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EverettB  Administrator

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Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 8:04 am Post subject: Re: Post Barndoor, Wolfsburg Bus Features And Changes |
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buseric wrote: |
EverettB wrote: |
rocketpower wrote: |
Does anyone know what style headlight glass, came on early Wolfsburg busses,NAS spec April. There seems two be two options late barn door with the vestigial oval and non oval. |
April, 1955 would still be with the vestigial oval AFAIK |
I am wondering how you know this. I have been trying to figure early '55 non-barndoor headlight glass for a while, both NA and euro spec. I thought I had euro sorted but I wish there was a definitive source of information to reference, do you know of one? |
I don't know of a definitive reference, sort of going from memory here on what was seen on a few "original" Buses in the past.
There is some info in the Barndoor Bus headlight glass thread
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=180652
One post from janerick3, who seems to know all the headlight info:
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rocketpower Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 4:22 pm Post subject: Re: Post Barndoor, Wolfsburg Bus Features And Changes |
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Great info, thanks. Now if I can figure out the tai lights, if they are sbl 17 or the late barn door style, anyone? |
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EverettB  Administrator

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Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 9:43 pm Post subject: Re: Post Barndoor, Wolfsburg Bus Features And Changes |
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rocketpower wrote: |
Great info, thanks. Now if I can figure out the tai lights, if they are sbl 17 or the late barn door style, anyone? |
Late Barndoor meaning 54-55 single filament?
Your Bus would be dual filament so not the Barndoor lenses.
SBL17
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dmuis Samba Member

Joined: September 01, 2004 Posts: 381 Location: Sunny Alberta, Wild Rose Country.
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 10:52 pm Post subject: Re: Post Barndoor, Wolfsburg Bus Features And Changes |
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rocketpower wrote: |
Great info, thanks. Now if I can figure out the tai lights, if they are sbl 17 or the late barn door style, anyone? |
Is it an April 55 semaphore bus? Then it would be single filiment glass Hella K1546. These were post barndoor for all buses until the semaphores were dropped for North America in April/May 1955. European buses ran these to 58?
Non semaphore will be early SBL17 and also have the square reflector holes.
This is a mid April 55 standard microbus. Look up photos from ol36er.
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D-train Samba Member

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Posted: Thu May 27, 2021 11:17 pm Post subject: Re: Post Barndoor, Wolfsburg Bus Features And Changes |
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Here’s a couple of photos from a 55 manual with the taillights, this is from the second edition, unsure of actual month that it was released
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earlywesty Samba Member

Joined: May 03, 2004 Posts: 2377 Location: In the woods, Ontario
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Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 3:32 am Post subject: Re: Post Barndoor, Wolfsburg Bus Features And Changes |
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dmuis wrote: |
rocketpower wrote: |
Great info, thanks. Now if I can figure out the tai lights, if they are sbl 17 or the late barn door style, anyone? |
Is it an April 55 semaphore bus? Then it would be single filiment glass Hella K1546. These were post barndoor for all buses until the semaphores were dropped for North America in April/May 1955. European buses ran these to 58?
Non semaphore will be early SBL17 and also have the square reflector holes.
This is a mid April 55 standard microbus. Look up photos from ol36er.
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This is almost correct. April 55 would have the flat euro taillights and semaphores as pictured above. If you have bullet turn signals then you need the bubble taillights, but being wolfsburg production it would have had only a Hella logo on the glass and the chrome rings would be stamped VW and Hella as well. Post Wolfsburg the bubble taillights lost markings in the chrome and the lenses were marked SBL17. All bubble taillights had reflectors below them that were mounted in the square holes. |
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rocketpower Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 5:44 am Post subject: Re: Post Barndoor, Wolfsburg Bus Features And Changes |
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Ok got it, thanks ! its a non semaphore bus. So it will need the early sbl17s on it. I guess ill start looking now... |
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KBMC1304 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 12:34 pm Post subject: Re: Post Barndoor, Wolfsburg Bus Features And Changes |
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I just found a Wolfsburg bus. probably April 55'
but I don't understand how its possible to have windows and aeration grids? |
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D-train Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 2:21 pm Post subject: Re: Post Barndoor, Wolfsburg Bus Features And Changes |
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KBMC1304 wrote: |
I just found a Wolfsburg bus. probably April 55'
but I don't understand how its possible to have windows and aeration grids? |
Ex db panel? Have they been sectioned in? _________________ shiny paint doesnt make it worth any more |
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Alan Brase Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2004 Posts: 4570 Location: Cedar Falls, Iowa
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 2:29 pm Post subject: Re: Post Barndoor, Wolfsburg Bus Features And Changes |
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A panel would have a 211, 14 or 215 number, tho. _________________ Al Brase
Projects: 67 sunroof bug, 67 Porsche 912 Targa, 70 Westy
Dec 1955 Single Cab pickup WANT 15" BUS RIMS dated 8/55, thru 12/55
To New owners: 1969 doublecab, 1971 Dormobile
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Lind Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 5:53 pm Post subject: Re: Post Barndoor, Wolfsburg Bus Features And Changes |
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Alan Brase wrote: |
A panel would have a 211, 14 or 215 number, tho. |
That is a normal panelvan vin plate. It reads VW 2/21. _________________ .
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Sunroofgod Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 6:05 pm Post subject: Re: Post Barndoor, Wolfsburg Bus Features And Changes |
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VIN# 20-147346 Sept/Oct era 1955 has it original US headlights with vestigial oval glass lenses.
buseric wrote: |
EverettB wrote: |
rocketpower wrote: |
Does anyone know what style headlight glass, came on early Wolfsburg busses,NAS spec April. There seems two be two options late barn door with the vestigial oval and non oval. |
April, 1955 would still be with the vestigial oval AFAIK |
I am wondering how you know this. I have been trying to figure early '55 non-barndoor headlight glass for a while, both NA and euro spec. I thought I had euro sorted but I wish there was a definitive source of information to reference, do you know of one? |
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mandraks Samba Member

Joined: November 28, 2004 Posts: 7114 Location: Lawrenceville, Ga
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: Post Barndoor, Wolfsburg Bus Features And Changes |
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Lind wrote: |
Alan Brase wrote: |
A panel would have a 211, 14 or 215 number, tho. |
That is a normal panelvan vin plate. It reads VW 2/21. |
looking where Algeria is on the map, maybe it is one of those Portuguese panels that were converted to kombis in Portugal? they have panel vents and windows. _________________ regards
Uli
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'53 3-Fold Oval, L35 Metallic Blue, looking for a narrow hatch panel |
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Alan Brase Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 6:21 pm Post subject: Re: Post Barndoor, Wolfsburg Bus Features And Changes |
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Lind wrote: |
Alan Brase wrote: |
A panel would have a 211, 14 or 215 number, tho. |
That is a normal panelvan vin plate. It reads VW 2/21. |
Oh, sure, that's what it is, then model 21! _________________ Al Brase
Projects: 67 sunroof bug, 67 Porsche 912 Targa, 70 Westy
Dec 1955 Single Cab pickup WANT 15" BUS RIMS dated 8/55, thru 12/55
To New owners: 1969 doublecab, 1971 Dormobile
Vanagons:
80 P27 Westy JUL 1979, 3rd oldest known US
83 1.6TD Vanagon, 87 Wolfie Westy daily driver, swap meet home |
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Alan Brase Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2004 Posts: 4570 Location: Cedar Falls, Iowa
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 6:30 pm Post subject: Re: Post Barndoor, Wolfsburg Bus Features And Changes |
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Sunroofgod wrote: |
VIN# 20-147346 Sept/Oct era 1955 has it original US headlights with vestigial oval glass lenses.
buseric wrote: |
EverettB wrote: |
rocketpower wrote: |
Does anyone know what style headlight glass, came on early Wolfsburg busses,NAS spec April. There seems two be two options late barn door with the vestigial oval and non oval. |
April, 1955 would still be with the vestigial oval AFAIK |
I am wondering how you know this. I have been trying to figure early '55 non-barndoor headlight glass for a while, both NA and euro spec. I thought I had euro sorted but I wish there was a definitive source of information to reference, do you know of one? |
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Are the late 1955 headlight lenses special? North American equipped? Possibly the ones on my (December 1955) single cab are original? The headlight buckets seem to be original. _________________ Al Brase
Projects: 67 sunroof bug, 67 Porsche 912 Targa, 70 Westy
Dec 1955 Single Cab pickup WANT 15" BUS RIMS dated 8/55, thru 12/55
To New owners: 1969 doublecab, 1971 Dormobile
Vanagons:
80 P27 Westy JUL 1979, 3rd oldest known US
83 1.6TD Vanagon, 87 Wolfie Westy daily driver, swap meet home |
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EverettB  Administrator

Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 71471 Location: Phoenix 602
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 10:55 pm Post subject: Re: Post Barndoor, Wolfsburg Bus Features And Changes |
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mandraks wrote: |
Lind wrote: |
Alan Brase wrote: |
A panel would have a 211, 14 or 215 number, tho. |
That is a normal panelvan vin plate. It reads VW 2/21. |
looking where Algeria is on the map, maybe it is one of those Portuguese panels that were converted to kombis in Portugal? they have panel vents and windows. |
This was my thought too - Portugual Bus where they got Panels delivered and locally converted them to Kombis.
My understanding is Portugal and some other delivery markets had laws that imported vehicles had have a certain amount of local parts and manufacturing done to support the local economy by creating jobs. _________________ How to Post Photos
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KBMC1304 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:54 am Post subject: Re: Post Barndoor, Wolfsburg Bus Features And Changes |
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EverettB wrote: |
mandraks wrote: |
Lind wrote: |
Alan Brase wrote: |
A panel would have a 211, 14 or 215 number, tho. |
That is a normal panelvan vin plate. It reads VW 2/21. |
looking where Algeria is on the map, maybe it is one of those Portuguese panels that were converted to kombis in Portugal? they have panel vents and windows. |
This was my thought too - Portugual Bus where they got Panels delivered and locally converted them to Kombis.
My understanding is Portugal and some other delivery markets had laws that imported vehicles had have a certain amount of local parts and manufacturing done to support the local economy by creating jobs. |
I didn't find any traces of ckd in portugal before 1960's! |
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Lind Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 6:28 am Post subject: Re: Post Barndoor, Wolfsburg Bus Features And Changes |
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KBMC1304 wrote: |
EverettB wrote: |
mandraks wrote: |
Lind wrote: |
Alan Brase wrote: |
A panel would have a 211, 14 or 215 number, tho. |
That is a normal panelvan vin plate. It reads VW 2/21. |
looking where Algeria is on the map, maybe it is one of those Portuguese panels that were converted to kombis in Portugal? they have panel vents and windows. |
This was my thought too - Portugual Bus where they got Panels delivered and locally converted them to Kombis.
My understanding is Portugal and some other delivery markets had laws that imported vehicles had have a certain amount of local parts and manufacturing done to support the local economy by creating jobs. |
I didn't find any traces of ckd in portugal before 1960's! |
I'm not sure that the Portuguese buses were delivered as CKD or just regular panels that then had conversion work done to them, but they were certainly doing that in the barndoor era. _________________ .
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KBMC1304 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2022 2:54 am Post subject: Re: Post Barndoor, Wolfsburg Bus Features And Changes |
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Can you advise me?
Keep as is or remove the ventilations?
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