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yinnawagon Samba Member
Joined: November 12, 2022 Posts: 28 Location: oregon
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 9:29 pm Post subject: lets see what you < can find wrong with this picture |
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This engine is targeted to be full enclosed engine compartment you know the cooling crap and rubber seals. using IDF's
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VW_Jimbo Samba Member
Joined: May 22, 2016 Posts: 9880 Location: Huntington Beach, CA
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:38 pm Post subject: Re: lets see what you < can find wrong with this picture |
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The intake manifold and carb are missing!
JK. Looks like something is wonky with the tin. _________________ Jimbo
There is never enough time to do it right the first time, but all the time necessary the second time!
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Basically, a whole bunch of fuckery to achieve a look. |
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GFY's Xevin and VW_Jimbo! |
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74 Thing Samba Member
Joined: September 02, 2004 Posts: 7374
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:31 am Post subject: Re: lets see what you < can find wrong with this picture |
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Check inside the tin. Most likely the air deflector is hitting something or needs trimming. You can see it in your photo viewing from the top where the fan shroud goes. It probably is hitting on the face of the head fin or on the studs or upper nuts in the middle.
You usually have to cut and trim the tin and maybe even file your manifolds so the manifolds slide on without interference. |
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txoval Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 3540 Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:48 am Post subject: Re: lets see what you < can find wrong with this picture |
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Welcome to custom |
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Brian_e Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2009 Posts: 3228 Location: Rapid City, SD
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 7:23 am Post subject: Re: lets see what you < can find wrong with this picture |
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Looks like you should have fit your tin and manifolds before the fancy paint/powder coat.
Brian _________________ www.type-emotorsports.com |
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rayjay Samba Member
Joined: March 26, 2008 Posts: 1501 Location: Buford GA
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 7:35 am Post subject: Re: lets see what you < can find wrong with this picture |
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This area of the tin work would seem to be a great place to customize - cut , trim, add new material , redo the plug wire seal concept. make a removable section around the plug openings. etc. |
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rugblaster Samba Member
Joined: March 31, 2016 Posts: 1163 Location: San Angelo, Texas
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:40 am Post subject: Re: lets see what you < can find wrong with this picture |
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The old timers would say, "Looks like fitting a sock on a rooster." _________________ '69 Karmy, '69 Camper, Meyers clone, '65 drag bug, 10.78 @ 128 (sold it) '51 Dodge farm truck,
'09 MB E350 '18 MB E400, '65 Plymouth Valiant convertible and a '19 Ford F250 King Ranch (nicer, but dirty, farm truck)
VWoA factory trained line tech 75 till 90 or so
ASE Master Certification
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flat4Imp Samba Member
Joined: October 14, 2010 Posts: 48 Location: Pennsburg, PA 18073
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 11:06 am Post subject: Re: lets see what you < can find wrong with this picture |
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rugblaster wrote: |
The old timers would say, "Looks like fitting a sock on a rooster." |
_________________ "Often immitated, never duplicated." |
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Lingwendil Samba Member
Joined: February 25, 2009 Posts: 3987 Location: Antioch, California, a block from the hood
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76760 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: lets see what you < can find wrong with this picture |
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Brian_e wrote: |
Looks like you should have fit your tin and manifolds before the fancy paint/powder coat.
Brian |
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THIS
When building an you need to do a complete mock up first. _________________ Glenn
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
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vwracerdave Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15280 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 5:27 pm Post subject: Re: lets see what you < can find wrong with this picture |
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If your heads have been flycut or you have aftermarket head studs your head studs may be hitting under the tin. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
2010 Sportsman ET Champion - Mid-America Dragway - Arkansas City, KS
1997 Sportsman ET Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble ,OK
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yinnawagon Samba Member
Joined: November 12, 2022 Posts: 28 Location: oregon
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:38 pm Post subject: Re: lets see what you < can find wrong with this picture |
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I bought this shitshow, from "send a manifold guy" so you know the price tag. when Buying this I also got an item, which is worst than these. I bought the other crap just, kiss his A$$ hoping for decent job,
this shows the tin at manifold base. The tin is far back as well go.
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vwracerdave Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15280 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 6:56 pm Post subject: Re: lets see what you < can find wrong with this picture |
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Don't blame the guy you bought the parts from. Even factory DP tin must be trimmed and tweaked to fit all dual carb manifolds. All of them. Everybody has the same issues when building a Hot Rod performance engine. That is why you always trial fit everything before sending it off to powder coat. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
2010 Sportsman ET Champion - Mid-America Dragway - Arkansas City, KS
1997 Sportsman ET Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble ,OK
Featured in Dec. 2001 HOT VW's Magazine page 63
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virusdoc Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2018 Posts: 518 Location: Durham, NC, USA
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 8:27 pm Post subject: Re: lets see what you < can find wrong with this picture |
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I spent several hours clearancing my manifolds and tins, cutting, grinding, bending, before I could get my IDFs installed. Using 100% stock fuel injection tins. It's just part of the game when modifying these cars. _________________ 1976 Convertible Super Beetle, "June Bug".
FI-->34PICT3 carb conversion-->now dual 40 IDFs
Self-rebuilt 1904 (after totally botching a 1641 rebuild, cussing a lot, and throwing lots of cash in the fire) |
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Lo Cash John Samba Member
Joined: February 06, 2004 Posts: 2246 Location: Jacksonville, FL
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2022 9:27 pm Post subject: Re: lets see what you < can find wrong with this picture |
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I have yet to hear a decent technical question.
If making parts from many different manufacturers work together and fit properly is turn-off to you, you're in for a really bad time. Maybe you should stick with 100% stock engine builds.
Now, if you want to know how to make these items fit correctly and work very well together, start asking questions. _________________ www.LoCashRacing.org
More brains than bucks...Believe it or not!!
If you actually drive your VW, you need www.AirMapp.com
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KEGZ Samba Member
Joined: October 11, 2021 Posts: 288 Location: Whales Vagina
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2022 3:39 am Post subject: Re: lets see what you < can find wrong with this picture |
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I don’t think anyone here has met some head tin that automagically fit. That stuff has to be manipulated and manhandled. Some much more than others. Ive went to town with some snips many many times. Especially for IDA manifolds. For IDF and DRLAs, I’ve used the handle of a mallet to bend, shape, and clearance. |
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txoval Samba Member
Joined: January 23, 2004 Posts: 3540 Location: The Woodlands, TX
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2022 4:27 am Post subject: Re: lets see what you < can find wrong with this picture |
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You have a lot of meat in the manifolds to trim down as well, but you need to trim the tins to sit flat and more towards the case.
It’s a trial and error process…trim/test/trim/test until it fits properly |
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porkchop-rob Samba Member
Joined: April 28, 2015 Posts: 440
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:05 am Post subject: Re: lets see what you < can find wrong with this picture |
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I also learned this lesson the "hard way" and had to repaint everything after I fitted and trimmed and massaged it all into proper alignment. I assumed it would fit...cause it was all supposed to!
This is probably the biggest lesson in VW ownership compared to the american V8 stuff I grew up with.
I used to assume everything would just bolt on, line up, and play nice. With VW stuff, I now assume everything will need to be welded, bent, clearanced, massaged, tweaked, or forced into submission! And, I mean EVERYTHING.... so many incremental changes to these cars over time and so many aftermarket manufacturers (with varying degrees of QC and give a snot). I just assume I'll have to "Fit" anything that I bought new or didn't take off of the exact same car! _________________ 1965 Beetle
1968 Beetle Baja (Son's First Car)
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Glenn Mr. 010
Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 76760 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:17 am Post subject: Re: lets see what you < can find wrong with this picture |
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A 6" long 3/8 extension, a hammer, a rag and a lot of patience and you might not have to repaint it. _________________ Glenn
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Brian_e Samba Member
Joined: July 28, 2009 Posts: 3228 Location: Rapid City, SD
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:47 am Post subject: Re: lets see what you < can find wrong with this picture |
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Standard offset manifolds on mid size head ports can have at least 1/4" of material removed from the top side of the flange. I machine the material off and then beat/cut/bend the shit out of the tin. Standard practice.
If you are getting your undies in a bunch over this.....Just put the tools away now, and sell the whole lot. This is just a very minor issue compared to the rest of an engine build.
Brian _________________ www.type-emotorsports.com |
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