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PatterBon
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 Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:51 am Post subject: Late Model Engine Tin |
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After reading thread after thread asking, "What is all the engine tin?" I've decided to post up pictures of all the late model engine tin. If there are any questions in regards as to where it should be installed or what it is, feel free to send me a PM or let one of the fellow Samba members chime in.
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mr_bill
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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 no "flaps" or thermostat ?? Not really "tin" but need to be installed before the fan shroud is installed.......just sayin'........ 
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PatterBon
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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I have it, I just forgot pictures of it. Feel free to add a picture..and if anyone has a good picture of stove pipe tin, please post it up!
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torsionbar
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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i don't see the oil cooler tin aka "hoover bit".
also your photos look like they were taken at night with a flash. gloss black things, at night, with a flash = crappy photos. try natural sunlight in the middle of the day. it's tough to tell what piece is what in your pics. or an even better idea would be to take one pic of each piece, and then describe what that piece is and where it goes. that would be more helpful to people who are trying to identify what they might be missing...
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PatterBon
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Do you have any pictures of one? I beleive I have all the correct tin (these pictures are from my engine rebuild)
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johnR
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Nice pics, thanks for posting them. I recently learned that for Beetles and Supers with fuel injection ('75 and newer), the cylinder head tins are different to fit the wider engine bays of those cars. I'll post a picture later on. |
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Willhelm
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I don't mean to be offensive or critical but it could be beneficial to see the tin as it relates to each other in terms of placement. If I had the parts here I would do it gladly. I did do a mediocre photoshop for now. Good thread, and thread title (search friendly). 
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Here's my sheetmetal. Ignore the Berg breather and i'm using Type 181 industrial tins since i'm running J tubes and not heater boxes.
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chrisdiehl
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Very nice. Thanks guys. |
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PatterBon
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| Willhelm wrote: |
I don't mean to be offensive or critical but it could be beneficial to see the tin as it relates to each other in terms of placement. If I had the parts here I would do it gladly. I did do a mediocre photoshop for now. Good thread, and thread title (search friendly).
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Agreed, and no offense taken, I was going to hunt down pictures of their locations and post the pictures of where they go.
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ashman40
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I thought this thread wouldn't be complete with our this exploded diagram I found in the gallery:
For those that may have missed it, Glenn's second pic includes the pulley tin (#33 in the diagram above)
No one has posted the square shaped deflectors (#5) that go BELOW the cylinder (above the pushrod tubes) so I will throw these in too:
Also, the small deflectors that mount in the center of the heads (not in the exploded diagram). This is the right hand one with the slot for the rod that connects the thermostat to the vanes in the fan shroud.
And I found a pic of the preheat pipe (stovepipe) from one angle:
EDIT: found a pic of an original "Hoover bit":
... and an aftermarket replacement:
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PatterBon
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Huh...Never once have a seen a "hoover bit" and I've rebuilt and tore down more than just a few engines..Thanks for the pictures of the "Oh s***' tins as well as the exploded diagram and stove pipe tin. 
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johnR
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:22 am Post subject: |
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As promised here are a couple of shots of the 1975 and later FI cylinder head tin
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:28 am Post subject: |
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EDIT: found a pic of an original "Hoover bit":
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That one is actually missing half of it.
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Miklo
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I have seen a few "hoover bits" and they all seem to crack right in that same spot... The only one I have left is only hanging on by a thread.
Here's some pics I just took.
I would like some of those Type 181 tins like Glenn mentioned. 
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torsionbar
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| Huh...Never once have a seen a "hoover bit" and I've rebuilt and tore down more than just a few engines.. |
and now you know why people have overheating problems and think they need to add auxiliary oil coolers and other nonsense.
it's a very important piece. the hoover bit makes the air go *through* the oil cooler, you know, so that it actually cools the oil. without the hoover bit, the air just escapes around it.
http://www.vw-resource.com/oil_cooler.html#bit
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| I would like some of those Type 181 tins like Glenn mentioned. |
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Miklo
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Nice Glenn...
Where can I get some of those, I'm going to be running J tubes.
It's either those or some exhaust wrap... or both!
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Awesome Glenn, much appreciated thanks!
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