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PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2024 5:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Another Victim to the Ghia Window Installation... Reply with quote

The window is just resting there, waiting for install into the car.

I first put the seal onto the window, using the tape to keep
it in place as you go around. Then, insert the trim into the
slot in the seal.

I think the rubber would be too compressed after installing
into the car to allow for easy insertion of the trim.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2024 6:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Another Victim to the Ghia Window Installation... Reply with quote

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Take your time, its not too hard. I used some masking tape to help hold the rubber seal in place while getting it on. Then patiently pushed the trim in. I had to move the masking tape as the trim was inserted, then pushed the tape back down. Probably took 20 - 30 minutes fir the seal and trim.

I should be installing the window soon. It's really a 2 person job. I use string wrapped 2 or 3 tines around the outside of the seal, and some silicone spray. One person outside pushing and sometimes slapping with your palm and one inside using the string to pull the seal over the lip. I've done ghia and bug windows before, front, rear, and stationary quarter windows.

Here is a picture of my ghia rear window waiting for install.
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So want to make sure what I am seeing. You have the window inserted and then putting the t trim on the seal?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 8:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Another Victim to the Ghia Window Installation... Reply with quote

Take your time, its not too hard. I used some masking tape to help hold the rubber seal in place while getting it on. Then patiently pushed the trim in. I had to move the masking tape as the trim was inserted, then pushed the tape back down. Probably took 20 - 30 minutes fir the seal and trim.

I should be installing the window soon. It's really a 2 person job. I use string wrapped 2 or 3 tines around the outside of the seal, and some silicone spray. One person outside pushing and sometimes slapping with your palm and one inside using the string to pull the seal over the lip. I've done ghia and bug windows before, front, rear, and stationary quarter windows.

Here is a picture of my ghia rear window waiting for install.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 8:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Another Victim to the Ghia Window Installation... Reply with quote

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In the final stages on 71 Windshield /Rear Window install. WCM seals weren't too bad and I left them sit overnight and noticed the fit improved in the corners.

So now the T trim. I didn't have much luck with this today and as I ready through the thread there seems to be some folks installing the glass then going back and installing the trim.

Curious if anyone has dont or not done this in the past few years. Open to thoughts and ideas on how to get this trim in that slot.


T.Trim goes in the seal before installing the glass and extremely difficult even for experienced glass guys. Best to call around and find an old guy who knows his stuff
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 7:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Another Victim to the Ghia Window Installation... Reply with quote

In the final stages on 71 Windshield /Rear Window install. WCM seals weren't too bad and I left them sit overnight and noticed the fit improved in the corners.

So now the T trim. I didn't have much luck with this today and as I ready through the thread there seems to be some folks installing the glass then going back and installing the trim.

Curious if anyone has dont or not done this in the past few years. Open to thoughts and ideas on how to get this trim in that slot.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 13, 2022 7:52 am    Post subject: Re: Another Victim to the Ghia Window Installation... Reply with quote

I purchased windshield and rear window rubbers from Westcoast Metric a couple of years ago and they were blocked in the corners.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2020 6:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Another Victim to the Ghia Window Installation... Reply with quote

I finished installing the windshield in my 71 Ghia Vert today. I installed one windshield in a 61 Pontiac 30 years ago and I don't recall that it was any big deal but needless to say, being so long ago, that experience didn't provide any confidence. It went well so I would like to share what worked for me and hope that others benefit from these notes.

I think I read just about every thread and watched several videos in preparation. I had an original style seal with T profile trim and blocked corners. I prepped the windshield the night before and then one hour before installation, I put the windshield all assembled in the seal in the sun to warm it up. My wife and I did the work together. The first attempt failed after I managed to slip the glass out of the channel. I removed the glass and started over. This time it took us 20 minutes and it was done.

I used 4 conductor telephone wire for my pull cord. It is very flexible, strong, and perfectly round. I overlapped each end at the center of the bottom about 3 inches.

While watching an installation video, I noticed that the small outside flap often needs to be carefully pulled out over the surrounding metal. To help with this I decided to run a string in this groove, just like the large groove that gets pulled over the metal lip. This worked great. As we was working the inside rubber over the lip, I would periodically pull the string to lift the outside rubber flap over the frame. These pictures show the larger phone wire in the installation groove, and the string in the outside outer groove. In the 3rd picture, I drew a diagram. "A" is where I used string to lift the rubber outer flap. "B" is rubber channel that gets lifted over the metal lip.

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I used Silicone Spray for lubricating. I sprayed it into a small cup and brushed it on the outer side of the metal lip. I also brushed it on the rubber flap that gets pulled in by the rope, as well as on the inner edges that get pulled into the recessed edges of the frame. Here's a drawing showing where I applied the silicone. In the diagram above, the red areas is where I brushed on the Silicone spray.

Successful Installation.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Another Victim to the Ghia Window Installation... Reply with quote

Thanks guys, I'll probably be ordering the KGPR molded seals:) and will post up when done.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Another Victim to the Ghia Window Installation... Reply with quote

The KGP&R molded windshield rubbers (front and rear windshields) fit like a glove and makes the installation a cinch.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 3:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Another Victim to the Ghia Window Installation... Reply with quote

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stings a little since i already paid for this non molded; (


Feel lucky, this lesson was not TOO expensive. Just about everything that has been done on a ghia has been covered in this forum. It pays to research here or just ask first. You can put your seals up for sale in the classifieds to take a little of the sting away. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Another Victim to the Ghia Window Installation... Reply with quote

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Any opinions on the KGPR molded trim that holds the chrome seals?


Looking at your gallery....you have a 69-70?.. Your trim should be the Aluminum T-style. Dont order seals for Chrome trim, it will only be confusing.

You should be good to go with the KGPR blocked seal.


I have a 70. Didn't know there was a difference between the chrome and aluminum so thanks for the heads up.
I'll probably order the KGPR but stings a little since i already paid for this non molded; (
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Another Victim to the Ghia Window Installation... Reply with quote

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Any opinions on the KGPR molded trim that holds the chrome seals?


Looking at your gallery....you have a 69-70?.. Your trim should be the Aluminum T-style. Dont order seals for Chrome trim, it will only be confusing.

You should be good to go with the KGPR blocked seal.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Another Victim to the Ghia Window Installation... Reply with quote

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CiderGuy wrote:
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Anyone have success using "non-blocked" seals for the front and back windshield?

The seal kit I ordered came w/non-blocked so hoping for tips (other than toss the non-blocked in the trash:)-

Thanks!


I try and return it and see if you can pay a little more and get the blocked window seals.

I would love to but ordered it a year ago from Pinasco who was not easy to deal with then. So not much hope there:(
KGPR has a molded seal for $80 so thinking I should bit the bullet.

Any opinions on the KGPR molded trim that holds the chrome seals?


Positive opinion. Look back at my post on page 1. The gasket came from KGPR. The car pictured is my last Ghia. Since that time I have sold that car and restored another Ghia. That restoration included a new windshield install with the KGP&R gasket.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Another Victim to the Ghia Window Installation... Reply with quote

CiderGuy wrote:
Mrfun2fly wrote:
Anyone have success using "non-blocked" seals for the front and back windshield?

The seal kit I ordered came w/non-blocked so hoping for tips (other than toss the non-blocked in the trash:)-

Thanks!


I try and return it and see if you can pay a little more and get the blocked window seals.

I would love to but ordered it a year ago from Pinasco who was not easy to deal with then. So not much hope there:(
KGPR has a molded seal for $80 so thinking I should bit the bullet.

Any opinions on the KGPR molded trim that holds the chrome seals?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Another Victim to the Ghia Window Installation... Reply with quote

Mrfun2fly wrote:
Anyone have success using "non-blocked" seals for the front and back windshield?

The seal kit I ordered came w/non-blocked so hoping for tips (other than toss the non-blocked in the trash:)-

Thanks!


I try and return it and see if you can pay a little more and get the blocked window seals.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Another Victim to the Ghia Window Installation... Reply with quote

Anyone have success using "non-blocked" seals for the front and back windshield?

The seal kit I ordered came w/non-blocked so hoping for tips (other than toss the non-blocked in the trash:)-

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just finished installing the windshield in my 74. It takes the t-shaped trim. Put the rubber on the glass first, then installed the chrome trim, then put string in the mounting slot, then taped the trim about every 8 inches to keep the trim in place. Once that was done, it only took about a half an hour to install the windshield. Used a little silicone spray on the metal windshield frame of the car and it popped right in. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK you're right. won't happen again. (second apology) can we move on now? yayy
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 6:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i stand corrected my friends. i shouldve known not to post an opinion. oops my bad. sorry volks. lol. chrome trim is good. [keep it original right?]


Opinions are good but the suggestion that there's something effete about liking stock chrome trim, many will find bizarre...or worse. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i stand corrected my friends. i shouldve known not to post an opinion. oops my bad. sorry volks. lol. chrome trim is good. [keep it original right?]
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