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Alan Brase Samba Member
Joined: March 28, 2004 Posts: 4570 Location: Cedar Falls, Iowa
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Posted: Mon May 25, 2020 3:22 am Post subject: Re: Koni shocks |
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A couple decades ago, I put a set of Bilsteins on the rear of my 1980 Westy. I felt they were a little too firm, so I bought some stock spec Sachs shocks. (I put the Bilsteins on my 1982 diesel that I used in my business and very often it was loaded fully and sometimes a little overloaded. They controlled it well.)
Next shocks I buy will likely be Konis.
I think Bilsteins are by far the best for racing.
For normal long life good performance, I think the Konis are a good choice. _________________ Al Brase
Projects: 67 sunroof bug, 67 Porsche 912 Targa, 70 Westy
Dec 1955 Single Cab pickup WANT 15" BUS RIMS dated 8/55, thru 12/55
To New owners: 1969 doublecab, 1971 Dormobile
Vanagons:
80 P27 Westy JUL 1979, 3rd oldest known US
83 1.6TD Vanagon, 87 Wolfie Westy daily driver, swap meet home |
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nilloc Samba Member
Joined: April 03, 2017 Posts: 15 Location: NH
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2018 10:11 am Post subject: Re: Koni shocks |
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I am on stock Carat springs in my 1990 MV and have Konis in. Been in for a long time. They seem stiff these days.
So since all soft is like stock.
And the above thinks half way is OK for a weekender, I guess I go half way.
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Good to read, I just got a set of Koni Reds and Yellow Weitechs (now called ST btw). I have a 91 MV previously with stock but sagging to the left Carat springs up front and some kinda super tall rear spring in the back, think the previous owner towed with it.
I got sick of staring at the ground while driving so hopefully the lower progressive rear springs give it a bit better rake. I'll post an update when it's all back together.
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dougass Samba Member

Joined: December 13, 2016 Posts: 300 Location: NJ
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 2:00 pm Post subject: Re: Koni shocks |
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Hey r39o, the sway bar and shocks address different things... sway bar is actually anti-sway and improves handling, especially cornering and steering response. Shocks dampen the springs to keep a smooth ride. _________________ '91 GL - 2.1 automatic named Klaus for weekend adventures.
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r39o Samba Polizei

Joined: May 18, 2005 Posts: 9800 Location: San Diego
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2018 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: Koni shocks |
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#MeToo
I am on stock Carat springs in my 1990 MV and have Konis in. Been in for a long time. They seem stiff these days.
So since all soft is like stock.
And the above thinks half way is OK for a weekender, I guess I go half way.
Next fly in the ointment, though is I have Addco front and rear anti sway bars laying around.
If I adjust the shocks to my liking, might I not like them after the bars are added or what????? _________________ "Use the SEARCH, Luke" But first visit the Vanagon FAQ!
1990 Multivan EJ 22, Rancho trans 0.82 4th, Small Car front AC, CLKs w/ 215/65-16, homemade big brakes 303mm, Konis, Recaros, etc....
Click to see my ads for Cup holders, Subaru clutch fix and CLK wheels (no wheels currently) |
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dougass Samba Member

Joined: December 13, 2016 Posts: 300 Location: NJ
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Posted: Mon Mar 19, 2018 5:43 am Post subject: Re: Koni shocks |
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My guestimate would be about half way through the range.
From my understanding, Koni's softest setting is about equal to factory shocks. I am running Weitec Springs and have the shocks nearly at max.
Note - I expected "clicks" for each setting on the shocks, found that they are "infinitely adjustable" between min and max. _________________ '91 GL - 2.1 automatic named Klaus for weekend adventures.
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ThankYouJerry Samba Member

Joined: September 01, 2012 Posts: 2271 Location: Shakedown Street
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Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: Koni shocks |
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| takeiteasy wrote: |
| I am about to install koni reds and gowesty 0 lift on the rear of and '85 weekender. Anybody have a koni setting they like on their weekender? |
Bump _________________ 1990 Multivan - "Ohana"
1.8T, Auto w/3.27 R&P + Peloquin TBD |
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takeiteasy Samba Member

Joined: August 11, 2016 Posts: 169 Location: New York, NY
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: Koni shocks |
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I am about to install koni reds and gowesty 0 lift on the rear of and '85 weekender. Anybody have a koni setting they like on their weekender? _________________ '85 Weekender 1.9L
"With your past and your future precisely divided.
Am I at that moment? I haven't decided." |
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ChristophtheGerman Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2017 Posts: 11
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Posted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 7:18 am Post subject: Re: Koni shocks |
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| Okay, thank you very much!!! |
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eeebee Samba Member

Joined: July 17, 2009 Posts: 441 Location: Tujunga
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: Koni shocks |
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They come with the nut but not the bushing. Bushing and washer is available from van cafe. _________________ Eric
1987 Vanagon Wolfsburg Special Edition
GoWesty 2.3
Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time. |
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ChristophtheGerman Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2017 Posts: 11
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Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:02 am Post subject: Re: Koni shocks |
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Hey guys,
quick off topic question:
Do the Konis come with the upper rubber bushings and nuts for the front shocks?
Mine are shot and I need new ones.
If not - where do I get those best?
Thanks for your help.
Are there yellow and red Konis??? This is how I know them from my other cars. Red was gas, Yellow oil.
Thanks
Best
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0to60in6min Samba Member
Joined: November 27, 2006 Posts: 3460 Location: OR & CA (Oregon/California)
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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I have the Koni Classic Red on my '90 Carat w. highest setting and I like them...
my other '90 Carat has Bilstein HD they are good but I feel they're a bit soft to my liking...
well... you need to adjust to your taste... but the Koni Red are not easy to adjust once they are on the van... |
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oldhuldy67 Samba Member

Joined: November 25, 2008 Posts: 506 Location: somewhere with a southern exposure
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:45 am Post subject: |
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Riiiiiight...learn something everyday if I'm not careful...thanks _________________ Currently:1980 Westy Westfalia Poptop (a total stock-look rebuild with all my favorite camping mods)
1967 stock Sunroof Beetle
Formerly:
1978 Westy Campmobile, the"EM50 Urban Assault Vehicle" code named "The Pickle"
1973 Squareback (sold on a lark)
1973 Super Beetle (crashed..walked away without a scratch)
1972 Standard Beetle (lost in a relationship..)
1966 Beetle (the Black Beauty, my Dad's)
1964 Beetle (the Beige Bug, my beginning beater, also my Dad's) Thanks, Dad. |
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oldhuldy67 Samba Member

Joined: November 25, 2008 Posts: 506 Location: somewhere with a southern exposure
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:45 am Post subject: |
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Riiiiiight...learn something everyday if I'm not careful...thanks _________________ Currently:1980 Westy Westfalia Poptop (a total stock-look rebuild with all my favorite camping mods)
1967 stock Sunroof Beetle
Formerly:
1978 Westy Campmobile, the"EM50 Urban Assault Vehicle" code named "The Pickle"
1973 Squareback (sold on a lark)
1973 Super Beetle (crashed..walked away without a scratch)
1972 Standard Beetle (lost in a relationship..)
1966 Beetle (the Black Beauty, my Dad's)
1964 Beetle (the Beige Bug, my beginning beater, also my Dad's) Thanks, Dad. |
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70coupyel Samba Member

Joined: September 06, 2006 Posts: 1657 Location: So.Cal
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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I set them on their softest setting and the plan is to stiffen them up as needed. |
The adjustment on the Koni's is for the rebound only. Not for the compression. _________________
| TheAndante wrote: |
| Saying that specs are different than dimensions doesn't make sense. Porsche specs/VW specs/engineering specs are nothing but a series of dimensions,sizes,percentages,measurements, etc. |
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=338946&highlight=
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83 Westy Waterboxer |
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oldhuldy67 Samba Member

Joined: November 25, 2008 Posts: 506 Location: somewhere with a southern exposure
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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Stock 2WD 1980 Westy...Replaced my OG 33 year old shocks with Konis and guess what..it drove and handled so much better...duh..
I set them on their softest setting and the plan is to stiffen them up as needed.
Also, tires...Vanco D rated _________________ Currently:1980 Westy Westfalia Poptop (a total stock-look rebuild with all my favorite camping mods)
1967 stock Sunroof Beetle
Formerly:
1978 Westy Campmobile, the"EM50 Urban Assault Vehicle" code named "The Pickle"
1973 Squareback (sold on a lark)
1973 Super Beetle (crashed..walked away without a scratch)
1972 Standard Beetle (lost in a relationship..)
1966 Beetle (the Black Beauty, my Dad's)
1964 Beetle (the Beige Bug, my beginning beater, also my Dad's) Thanks, Dad. |
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pdxleaf Samba Member

Joined: January 14, 2014 Posts: 43 Location: Portland, Oregon
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:55 pm Post subject: lowering DOKA |
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Just bought a 2WD Doka and want to lower it. Is the Dokas suspension the same as a vanagon? Was hoping to go with Weitec springs and koni shocks.
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I had Weitecs with Bilsteins in a 2wd Doka. Very stiff. Coming out of Seattle on I5 I was bouncing in the air like a low rider. Too stiff and couldn't respond in time. I like the lowered look but would go with Carat springs and Konis myself based on comments from others and on my experience. But the Weitec with koni might be a better combo than what I experienced. Just a thought.
And to your original question, the 2wd Doka setup will be the same as the Vanagon GL. |
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Kombi///M3 Samba Member
Joined: March 16, 2011 Posts: 427 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks..wheels are 15", I have to check my tires.. Can't remember. |
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ame Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2007 Posts: 18 Location: Langley, B.C.
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks for the reply. Your van looks great. What size are your wheels and tires? |
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Kombi///M3 Samba Member
Joined: March 16, 2011 Posts: 427 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Just bought a 2WD Doka and want to lower it. Is the Dokas suspension the same as a vanagon? Was hoping to go with Weitec springs and koni shocks.
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Pretty sure their the same.. I had an 85 tintop that I installed
Koni and weitech combo.. Great handling and big diff of course.
I have the konis and h&r blue springs in my Wolfsburg. It's great too.
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ame Samba Member
Joined: March 19, 2007 Posts: 18 Location: Langley, B.C.
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Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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Just bought a 2WD Doka and want to lower it. Is the Dokas suspension the same as a vanagon? Was hoping to go with Weitec springs and koni shocks.
Thanks. |
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