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Bub
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Another 3-1 Motest / Motometer project. BUT! For anyone who's has one of these in their hoard for decades looking for senders, I did come up with a functional solution.
Gauge is unmodified, 6V .
I sourced a Bosch fuel sender from amazon for $23, reversed the function and it works fine.
Oil temp took a bit more work. But with a couple small electronics added in it will work with nearly any temp sender, and can be calibrated perfectly.
Here's one that reads high 'N' temp @ just about 215* , and max @ 240*.
Very stoked, I have always wanted one of these functioning...
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Just not enough to sacrifice this.
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Bub
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| Posted: Fri May 24, 2024 11:50 am Post subject: Re: Gauges |
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I feel like this is a pretty rare thing to get...dates 03/61' on paperwork and 09/61' tachometer..
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NASkeet
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| Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: Gauges |
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I recently came across some pictures of a British Army surplus 6x6 Pinzgauer 718 off-road ambulance, which featured an interesting VDO Cockpit accessory style dual range speedometer (i.e. 0~90 mph & 0~150 kmph) with odometer & trip-counter, which if it is of the appropriate calibration, might be suitable for classic VWs!?!
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Pinzgauer speedos are calibrated to 625 rpms equals 60 kilometers per hour indicated on the dial. So on a VW, it would indicate 16.8 kilometers too fast at 60 kilometers per hour. |
I had a feeling that identifying a VDO Cockpit speedometer with an appropriate speed range, would be too good to be true! 
Who in their right mind, would want to drive a classic air-cooled VW at more than 90 mph, even if local laws misguidedly permit it!?!
Personally, I think an 80 mm diameter speedometer is too small, which was only one of the reasons I didn't use the following VDO Cockpit style speedometer that I bought as part of a job-lot of six gauges.
I would personally prefer to use a 105 mm diameter speedometer in my 1973 VW "1600" Type 2, with integral warning lights and fuel gauge, as factory-fitted to VW Type 1 Beetles.
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tstracy39
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| Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:53 am Post subject: Re: Gauges |
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| NASkeet wrote: |
I recently came across some pictures of a British Army surplus 6x6 Pinzgauer 718 off-road ambulance, which featured an interesting VDO Cockpit accessory style dual range speedometer (i.e. 0~90 mph & 0~150 kmph) with odometer & trip-counter, which if it is of the appropriate calibration, might be suitable for classic VWs!?!
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Pinzgauer speedos are calibrated to 625 rpms equals 60 kilometers per hour indicated on the dial. So on a VW, it would indicate 16.8 kilometers too fast at 60 kilometers per hour.
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NASkeet
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| Posted: Sun Mar 17, 2024 11:05 am Post subject: Re: Gauges |
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I recently came across some pictures of a British Army surplus 6x6 Pinzgauer 718 off-road ambulance, which featured an interesting VDO Cockpit accessory style dual range speedometer (i.e. 0~90 mph & 0~150 kmph) with odometer & trip-counter, which if it is of the appropriate calibration, might be suitable for classic VWs!?!
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Independent tutor (semi-retired) of mathematics, physics, technology & engineering for secondary, tertiary, further & higher education.
Much modified, RHD 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan, with the World's only decent, cross-over-arm, SWF pantograph rear-window wiper
Onetime member, plus former Technical Editor & Editor of Transporter Talk magazine
Volkswagen Type 2 Owners' Club (Great Britain)
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NASkeet
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| Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2024 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: Gauges |
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I got my hands on these Claudes Buggies gauges the other day… they came out of a chop top that was built is the 70s. I was wondering how many of them are out there?
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Here in California I have found alot of the claudes buggies oil pressure and oil temp gauges in that style. The cylinder head temp one is the hard one to find ... AWSOME SCORE !!!!  |
Back in the early-1980s, one of my engineering-student colleagues at Cranfield Institute of Technology, on the Bedfordshire & Buckinghamshire border in England, had a Claude's Buggies catalogue which I briefly borrowed for interest. In those days, automotive parts & accessories mail-order catalogues were virtually unknown in the United Kingdom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cranfield_University#Cranfield_Institute_of_Technology_(1969-1993)
I suspect that what was then known as Claude's Buggies, later became known as CB Performance!?!
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Much modified, RHD 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental campervan, with the World's only decent, cross-over-arm, SWF pantograph rear-window wiper
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: Gauges |
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I got my hands on these Claudes Buggies gauges the other day… they came out of a chop top that was built is the 70s. I was wondering how many of them are out there?
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Here in California I have found alot of the claudes buggies oil pressure and oil temp gauges in that style. The cylinder head temp one is the hard one to find ... AWSOME SCORE !!!!
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 6:57 pm Post subject: Re: Gauges |
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I got my hands on these Claudes Buggies gauges the other day… they came out of a chop top that was built is the 70s. I was wondering how many of them are out there?
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: Gauges |
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I got my hands on these Claudes Buggies gauges the other day… they came out of a chop top that was built is the 70s. I was wondering how many of them are out there?
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Rare complete set of pre-66 empi gauges
1) dash pod tachometer
2) oil pressure
3) oil temperature
4) amp meter
5) vacuum gauge
6) cylinder head temp gauge
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Bub
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 11:39 am Post subject: Re: Gauges |
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Can this VDO Temperature Gauge 310-503, be used for Oil Temperature?
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If you're going to be doing any gauge setup and it doesn't come as a kit I'd get one of these:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01CZLPAOM/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
With this you can determine the resistance values almost any gauge requires to work and shop for senders that will install where you want them installed.
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NASkeet
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| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2023 11:25 am Post subject: Re: Gauges |
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Hi,
Can this VDO Temperature Gauge 310-503, be used for Oil Temperature?
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It certainly looks like an oil-temperature gauge to me.
I suggest you contact VDO and ask them which VDO gauge-senders are compatible with this gauge, or at the very least, the temperature versus resistance characteristics of a generic sender that would be compatible.
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KTPhil 
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 10:56 pm Post subject: Re: Gauges |
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Hard to say. Nothing guarantees gauges and senders are compatible, at least as far as calibration go. And they will probably not accept returns if you guess wrong.
Without documentation of which sender goes with that gauge, you are guessing.
Maybe someone familiar with that gauge (or others of the same era) will chime in? |
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erictioe
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: Gauges |
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Hi KTPhil,
I am planning to get the 300degF oil temperature sender M18x1.5, VDO 323-064, for this gauge, sounds about right? |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: Gauges |
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erictioe
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| Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2023 5:46 pm Post subject: Re: Gauges |
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Hi,
Can this VDO Temperature Gauge 310-503, be used for Oil Temperature?
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tstracy39
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: Gauges |
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G stands for "Geber", which translates into "Giver". After VDO stopped making gauges in Germany (In 1999 or so), terminal G is no longer a thing. There is instead now a terminal "S" on all their gauges. S stands for Signal or Sender. Unfortunately a bike light generator isn't going to stay in one piece at 5000RPMs, or anywhere near that. Even with an OG VDO generator, you're going to end up breaking the cable every once in a while. Your best bet would be to run the cable to a .5000 reducer drive joint for a Detroit diesel tach etc., and recalibrate the tach to read double. |
The bike headlight generator was just a hairbrained idea I thought would be fun to try. I was mostly wondering if there was any documentation on what the V+ scale this thing needs, just as a place to start. Only clue I have is some experimenting someone did a while ago on the Ghia version of the tach, and I think it ran all the way up to like 32volts or something.
So, I guess I'd have to run3-4 of those bike generators on reducers and wire them in series.
I'll get right on it!
But the bottom line is I knew it's super unlikely that I'd get it work work right and reliably without mods or rebuilding it. Just the cost of the proper setup is murder.
So I just skipped it all and put a 5k modern tach driver inside.
Works fantastic now. |
VDO still makes a version of the generator. But they're limited to 3000 RPMs, they sell for about $400.00 currently, and as far as I know almost everything VDO sells currently is made in India and there's a lot of defective parts getting past quality check and being shipped out of the factory. A Detroit Diesel .5000 reducer is fairly common. I've found WW2 US Army surplus ones for about 75 dollars each.
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Bub
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| Posted: Tue May 24, 2022 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: Gauges |
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G stands for "Geber", which translates into "Giver". After VDO stopped making gauges in Germany (In 1999 or so), terminal G is no longer a thing. There is instead now a terminal "S" on all their gauges. S stands for Signal or Sender. Unfortunately a bike light generator isn't going to stay in one piece at 5000RPMs, or anywhere near that. Even with an OG VDO generator, you're going to end up breaking the cable every once in a while. Your best bet would be to run the cable to a .5000 reducer drive joint for a Detroit diesel tach etc., and recalibrate the tach to read double. |
The bike headlight generator was just a hairbrained idea I thought would be fun to try. I was mostly wondering if there was any documentation on what the V+ scale this thing needs, just as a place to start. Only clue I have is some experimenting someone did a while ago on the Ghia version of the tach, and I think it ran all the way up to like 32volts or something.
So, I guess I'd have to run3-4 of those bike generators on reducers and wire them in series.
I'll get right on it!
But the bottom line is I knew it's super unlikely that I'd get it work work right and reliably without mods or rebuilding it. Just the cost of the proper setup is murder.
So I just skipped it all and put a 5k modern tach driver inside.
Works fantastic now.
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tstracy39
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| Posted: Mon May 23, 2022 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: Gauges |
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recent purchase, very good condition 4/57' proper original tachometer.
Will fit my 54' nicely once I find or build a generator for it.
I know a guy who has one..at some point have to determine what the signal / voltage scale it puts out. I'll find a substitute one way or another.
I was thinking an old bicycle headlight generator run through some miniature solid-state regulator.
Anyone have any progress on what the sender sends to the 'G' connection tachs?
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G stands for "Geber", which translates into "Giver". After VDO stopped making gauges in Germany (In 1999 or so), terminal G is no longer a thing. There is instead now a terminal "S" on all their gauges. S stands for Signal or Sender. Unfortunately a bike light generator isn't going to stay in one piece at 5000RPMs, or anywhere near that. Even with an OG VDO generator, you're going to end up breaking the cable every once in a while. Your best bet would be to run the cable to a .5000 reducer drive joint for a Detroit diesel tach etc., and recalibrate the tach to read double.
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2022 11:44 am Post subject: Re: Gauges |
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recent purchase, very good condition 4/57' proper original tachometer.
Will fit my 54' nicely once I find or build a generator for it.
I know a guy who has one..at some point have to determine what the signal / voltage scale it puts out. I'll find a substitute one way or another.
I was thinking an old bicycle headlight generator run through some miniature solid-state regulator.
Anyone have any progress on what the sender sends to the 'G' connection tachs?
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