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babysnakes
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a,b,e,f, '78 Westy.  Wow!! 6 year resurrection. |
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farnhamassoc
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| Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:32 am Post subject: Open container on VW bus |
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This is Illinois state law for what is considered an RV To meet drinking codes. I would highly recommend you look up the state law for your camper and know if you are able to drink while driving. From what I see you must have a walk thru. as well as 4 of the following.
Also if you have a standard bus and want the passengers to drink I would not do it unless you have a CA number if in California. Then become a specified charter. Have a Log book and the whole nine yards. You could call the CHP. They will tell you the rules. The penalty for guessing is really steep. Then you could become a charter bus and possibly qualify for a waver for open containers. A bit of a hassle for waiting till you get there to drink.
(625 ILCS 5/1‑145.01) (from Ch. 95 1/2, par. 1‑145.01)
Sec. 1‑145.01. Motor home, mini motor home or van camper. A self‑contained motor vehicle, not used commercially, designed or permanently converted to provide living quarters for recreational, camping or travel use, with direct walk through access to the living quarters from the driver's seat. Such vehicles must include at least four of the following:
a) A cooking facility with an on‑board fuel source;
b) A gas or electric refrigerator;
c) A toilet with exterior evacuation;
d) A heating or air conditioning system with an on‑board power or fuel source separate from the vehicle engine;
e) A potable water supply system that includes at least a sink, a faucet, and a water tank with an exterior service supply connection;
f) A 110‑125 volt electric power supply.
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udidwht
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| Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:25 am Post subject: Re: booze and buses |
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[quote="joe passalacqua"]all i can attest too is personal exp., here it goes.1992,,,,,,,,,huntington beach,,,,,,,,,,day before classic,,,,,,,,parked at pier with my 67westy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,sitting with my wife on beach chairs with feet in sand,,,,,,,,,,,,no open cont.,,,,,,,,just sitting,,,,,,,,female officer rides up on atv and admiring bus and gentle conversation,,,,,,,,,,three more officers arrive,,,,then the question,any beer in your camper, yes officer, we are on vacation from out of town,we are camping and going to a vw show tomorrow,,officer says,,alcohol illegal from hwy 101 to water,,,wrote me a 75 ticket and ordered us to leave,,,,,,,,or face strip search of camper,impound and go to jail,,,,,,,,never been back to hunt...[my wife and i were celebrating our 30th wedding anniv. not a profile party card]...........thats it you decide.......[/quote]
You should have fought it...If the alcohol is in your hand and your sitting/standing on the beach or outside of your Westy, RV, camper, housecar, or limo, only then it is illegal.
Your RV, camper, housecar is considered a private dwelling or cohabitant dwelling same as a home. No city municipal code can change/alter that. The officer had no right even asking if you had alcohol in your camper. Unless he saw you outside of your vehicle drinking (probable cause). |
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GeorgeL
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:49 pm Post subject: Re: booze and buses |
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| joe passalacqua wrote: |
| officer says,,alcohol illegal from hwy 101 to water,,,wrote me a 75 ticket and ordered us to leave, |
This is a local huntington beach ordinance, not related to the vehicle code. Municipalities are entitled to restrict pretty much anything they want and alcohol on the beach is a legitimate concern whether we like it or not.
Now, it is obviously more likely that a camper would have a supply of alcohol on board than a sedan. If you looked "out of town" it is likely that the cop saw an opportunity for an easy ticket, one with a low risk of conflict. You were a much easier catch than a group of Hells Angels, and you were just as good toward meeting the officer's quot^h^h^h^h performance standard as the higher risk contact would be. |
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spoon
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You can fight it. Probably would not have won. Regardless of the circumstances, breaking the law is breaking the law, and it sucks. Although, there is a slight chance that the DA would have been in a good mood and just might have dismissed the charges.
I just went to court for driving on a suspended license. I totally didn't know my license was suspended. I had a "DMV hold" on my license from another county because of an unpaid ticket. I went to court, and the public defender told me to go and get my license reissued. I went and paid my fine in that county to get the hold released and went to the DMV to complete my paperwork. Then I went to court again to show the judge that I have my license, and also to plead with him to let me slide because I did not know my license was suspended. Nope. Fuckin' bastard DA was like "well, on that date, you had no license. SO the law was broken. Blah blah blah..."
Yeah that pretty much sucked. $600 fine and 2 points on my license. I guess there's some good news. Two months ago when I got the suspended license ticket, the cop was supposed to tow my car and impound it for a minimum of 30 days! He must have been having a good day, because he spared me and just let me park the car on the side. 
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Fish
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Location: OB. It's beside the point.
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joe passalacqua
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| Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 11:34 am Post subject: booze and buses |
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| all i can attest too is personal exp., here it goes.1992,,,,,,,,,huntington beach,,,,,,,,,,day before classic,,,,,,,,parked at pier with my 67westy,,,,,,,,,,,,,,sitting with my wife on beach chairs with feet in sand,,,,,,,,,,,,no open cont.,,,,,,,,just sitting,,,,,,,,female officer rides up on atv and admiring bus and gentle conversation,,,,,,,,,,three more officers arrive,,,,then the question,any beer in your camper, yes officer, we are on vacation from out of town,we are camping and going to a vw show tomorrow,,officer says,,alcohol illegal from hwy 101 to water,,,wrote me a 75 ticket and ordered us to leave,,,,,,,,or face strip search of camper,impound and go to jail,,,,,,,,never been back to hunt...[my wife and i were celebrating our 30th wedding anniv. not a profile party card]...........thats it you decide....... |
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53 0val
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| You haven't lived until you get pulled over by the CHP. Nazi Germany didn't have it that bad. You own a bus in California and it gets pulled over by the CHP; it is akin to being raped. You best not have an empty beer can........because they expect that all bus drivers are stoned hippies and the bus is transporting illegal aliens. I assure you they will find something wrong with your bus. |
Y'know, my daily driver has been a bus since about 1990. That's 17 years  . Almost all of it has been in California. Been pulled over twice in that time.
First time was a young LA county deputy who couldn't figure out how to enter an amateur radio license plate into his computer, so it came up "no record found". I showed him how to enter the number correctly (you have to put a space in the middle), it came up as me, and he sent me on my way.
The second time was by a CHP officer for a brake light out on US395 in the Sierras. I wiggled a wire and it started working again so he sent me on my way. He didn't comment on the wear bars showing on my left rear tire or make any attempt to go over my bus for any other violations.
Cops are humans with all the foibles of humanity. Some may be "nazi-like" but for every one of those there are many others who are just trying to get to the end of the day and a paycheck just like the rest of us.
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Good for you George.........but I'm an a lifetime 11-99 Foundation member and do not drive a bus anymore. 
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hdsurf
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No the 3 girls were not underage. All college women over 21. I would never contribute to the deliquency of minors as I would hope no-one would ever contribute to mine. The girls just thought it was great that they could drink in the back of the camper...sorry for the confusion.
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GeorgeL
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| 53 0val wrote: |
| You haven't lived until you get pulled over by the CHP. Nazi Germany didn't have it that bad. You own a bus in California and it gets pulled over by the CHP; it is akin to being raped. You best not have an empty beer can........because they expect that all bus drivers are stoned hippies and the bus is transporting illegal aliens. I assure you they will find something wrong with your bus. |
Y'know, my daily driver has been a bus since about 1990. That's 17 years . Almost all of it has been in California. Been pulled over twice in that time.
First time was a young LA county deputy who couldn't figure out how to enter an amateur radio license plate into his computer, so it came up "no record found". I showed him how to enter the number correctly (you have to put a space in the middle), it came up as me, and he sent me on my way.
The second time was by a CHP officer for a brake light out on US395 in the Sierras. I wiggled a wire and it started working again so he sent me on my way. He didn't comment on the wear bars showing on my left rear tire or make any attempt to go over my bus for any other violations.
Cops are humans with all the foibles of humanity. Some may be "nazi-like" but for every one of those there are many others who are just trying to get to the end of the day and a paycheck just like the rest of us.
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53 0val
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| Speaking of Porsche's... I am looking for a 928 S4/GT/GTS. Know of any good places to look? Any good Porsche forums worth a visit? Sorry for the OT post. |
That's a relative inexpensive Porsche........but it is by far the most expensive to repair. Low miles is the key here. Anything over 30,000 miles should be avoided.
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spoon
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Speaking of Porsche's... I am looking for a 928 S4/GT/GTS. Know of any good places to look? Any good Porsche forums worth a visit? Sorry for the OT post.
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53 0val
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| I don't think I would be distressed either, until.........................the red lights come on. Then, it's whatever the CHP decides is law. |
In Hawaii, when the "red lights" come on I usually stop or slow down. Normal practice when approaching a stoplight or when cars in front of you apply their brakes. |
 I've spent the better part of the summer teaching at the University of Hawaii..........I know all about your "red lights." Truth is, there are more cops in Orange County than in the entire state of Hawaii. You haven't lived until you get pulled over by the CHP. Nazi Germany didn't have it that bad. You own a bus in California and it gets pulled over by the CHP; it is akin to being raped. You best not have an empty beer can........because they expect that all bus drivers are stoned hippies and the bus is transporting illegal aliens. I assure you they will find something wrong with your bus. I've been stopped many more times in my buses than I ever did in my Porsches, and I've owned many more Porsches.
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spoon
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| I don't think I would be distressed either, until.........................the red lights come on. Then, it's whatever the CHP decides is law. |
In Hawaii, when the "red lights" come on I usually stop or slow down. Normal practice when approaching a stoplight or when cars in front of you apply their brakes.
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GeorgeL
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| I don't think I would be distressed either, until.........................the red lights come on. Then, it's whatever the CHP decides is law. |
I'm not distressed about the inability of my passengers to imbibe. Having several potential vomiters in the back of my bus isn't a pretty picture. That stuff can be corrosive. |
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Fish
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Location: OB. It's beside the point.
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That's what I said! However, there is another section that applies to that half-finished bottle of Dom in my Deluxe:
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| 23225. (a) (2) If the vehicle is not equipped with a trunk and is not an off-highway motor vehicle subject to identification, as defined in Section 38012, the bottle, can, or other receptacle described in paragraph (1) shall be kept in some other area of the vehicle that is not normally occupied by the driver or passengers. |
So, without a trunk, I could put the bottle way in the back and be legal, unless Officer Friendly decides that someone could occupy that space. However, consuming under way is not an option. Somehow, this does not distress me. |
You are correct sir. By placing the bottle in the luggage area of your bus you are with in the law ...... so long as there is no Dom on your breath.
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53 0val
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I don't think I would be distressed either, until.........................the red lights come on. Then, it's whatever the CHP decides is law.
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GeorgeL
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As long as the alcohol stays out of the drivers area your legal in the state of California. This applies to RV's, Campers, Housecars, Limo's, etc...
As follows: see section (c)
Storage of Opened Container in Passenger Compartment
23226. (a) It is unlawful for any driver to keep in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle, when the vehicle is upon any highway or n lands, as described in subdivision (b) of Section 23220, any bottle, can, or other receptacle containing any alcoholic beverage that has been opened, or a seal broken, or the contents of which have been partially removed.
(b) It is unlawful for any passenger to keep in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle, when the vehicle is upon any highway or on lands, as described in subdivision (b) of Section 23220, any bottle, can, or other receptacle containing any alcoholic beverage that has been opened or a seal broken, or the contents of which have been partially removed.
(c) This section shall not apply to the living quarters of a housecar or camper. |
You have to be a bit careful with this. The letter of the law makes it legal to have an open container in the back seat of a Westy, but the same open container in the back seat of my Deluxe would be illegal.
This leads to an troublesome dilemma. How do I transport that half-consumed bottle of Dom Perginon home from a fine dinner at Chez Expenseev? I can't have it anywhere inside my Deluxe and be legal! I guess that Dom is going to have to ride the roof rack, or cuddle up with the oil bottles in the engine bay. 
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It's clear as day...Deluxes do not fall under the exemption rule. |
That's what I said! However, there is another section that applies to that half-finished bottle of Dom in my Deluxe:
| California Vehicle Code wrote: |
| 23225. (a) (2) If the vehicle is not equipped with a trunk and is not an off-highway motor vehicle subject to identification, as defined in Section 38012, the bottle, can, or other receptacle described in paragraph (1) shall be kept in some other area of the vehicle that is not normally occupied by the driver or passengers. |
So, without a trunk, I could put the bottle way in the back and be legal, unless Officer Friendly decides that someone could occupy that space. However, consuming under way is not an option. Somehow, this does not distress me. |
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udidwht
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[quote="GeorgeL"][quote="udidwht"]As long as the alcohol stays out of the drivers area your legal in the state of California. This applies to RV's, Campers, Housecars, Limo's, etc...
As follows: see section (c)
Storage of Opened Container in Passenger Compartment
23226. (a) It is unlawful for any driver to keep in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle, when the vehicle is upon any highway or on lands, as described in subdivision (b) of Section 23220, any bottle, can, or other receptacle containing any alcoholic beverage that has been opened, or a seal broken, or the contents of which have been partially removed.
(b) It is unlawful for any passenger to keep in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle, when the vehicle is upon any highway or on lands, as described in subdivision (b) of Section 23220, any bottle, can, or other receptacle containing any alcoholic beverage that has been opened or a seal broken, or the contents of which have been partially removed.
(c) This section shall not apply to the living quarters of a housecar or camper.[/quote]
You have to be a bit careful with this. The letter of the law makes it legal to have an open container in the back seat of a Westy, but the same open container in the back seat of my Deluxe would be illegal.
This leads to an troublesome dilemma. How do I transport that half-consumed bottle of Dom Perginon home from a fine dinner at Chez Expenseev? I can't have it anywhere inside my Deluxe and be legal! I guess that Dom is going to have to ride the roof rack, or cuddle up with the oil bottles in the engine bay.
George[/quote]
It's clear as day...Deluxes do not fall under the exemption rule.
Not certain about Washington state law regarding open containers in vehicle/s. But I'm sure they have an exemption for RV's, limos, housecars, etc.
There are a lot of recreational vehicles on the roads of this country. |
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53 0val
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| Sorry, I missed the part where she said the three girls were underage. |
You didn't miss it.........I assumed it. 
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