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MURZI
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The rule is: the older you get, the faster you were back then......
Don't believe me....get a bunch of old gearhead friends together in a room and start trash talking..... 
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Bill271
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| Cool rydes ive got a chassis dyno a dynojet 244c bring it up and ill throw it on for ya, ( i had a customer get his car tuned by outfront we still have not received the sheets yet and he swears the car made 250 turboed, which ive driven and it feels more like 175) we are gonna put that one on the rollers too |
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lostinbaja
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I myself have no doubts as to the potential HP in a Subi engine. I do however have problems with someone selling a product without documentation to back up the HP numbers of the product they are selling.
When I get ready to sell my 99 Subi Outback maybe I can tell the potential buyer it has a 275 HP, 2.5L engine...........Do you think they would believe me without documentation, I don't?
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eastcoastconversions
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From Outback... ooops, OUTFRONT Motorsports website -
Secrets Disclosed
"If you have ever talked to a motor builder you have likely experienced the code of silence they practice. They always seem to keep critical information to themselves, thinking it will help build their business, forcing you to have them build your motor. We happen to believe this creates animosities. At Outfront we will help you build your Subaru engine by sharing our knowledge for building engines up to 500HP, telling you the secrets others won't."
Sooooo....why won't they tell Coolrydes how they arrived at the HP numbers on the buggy? 
I'd say that eastcoastconversions, plasticman1432, DudeAbides, dunebubby, JiI, bajabugman, and others are still patiently awaiting those dyno sheets?
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I gave up waiting. Maybe the sheets fell out of his pocket when they were going over the three foot whoops. Seems like all the information Kevin shares can't be backed up!
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didget69
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From Outback... ooops, OUTFRONT Motorsports website -
Secrets Disclosed
"If you have ever talked to a motor builder you have likely experienced the code of silence they practice. They always seem to keep critical information to themselves, thinking it will help build their business, forcing you to have them build your motor. We happen to believe this creates animosities. At Outfront we will help you build your Subaru engine by sharing our knowledge for building engines up to 500HP, telling you the secrets others won't."
Sooooo....why won't they tell Coolrydes how they arrived at the HP numbers on the buggy?
I'd say that eastcoastconversions, plasticman1432, DudeAbides, dunebubby, JiI, bajabugman, and others are still patiently awaiting those dyno sheets?
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JiI
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We'll that is what we were thinking... A four seat, 5.8lbs to 1hp, super car for four people.....
The Base model comes turn key also but does not have the a-arm front end, and disc brakes, side pods, the realy nice wheels, OH and SERIOUS ADRENALIN RUSH!!!!! |
But it's a 4 seater! 4 seats should only be on 2 cars!!! What next, 4 doors? If the wheelbase is over 83", it's a limo, not a buggy.
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didget69
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Okay, so is the dyno in the ground yet? RWHP numbers available yet?
How's the ESL class goin'?
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X_BajaBug_X
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| Where is the radiator in the water cooled version? |
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plasticman1432
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DudeAbides,
We never made the statement that it was rear wheel horse power. I'm sorry you see it that way |
Funny....on June 1st you said "I have been trying to get those sheets from Outback since we first had the car on the dyno, however just like other paper work (invoices) I've yet to see them. "
I'm not sure how it works on your planet, but no earth-bound chassis dyno I've ever seen gives you crank HP figures.
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eastcoastconversions
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Siggy33, the price change is due to the supply and demand issue. If you were going to buy one it would have been honnored at that price before we became overloaded with orders for the air cooled Manxters, we simply can not build them quick enough. Sorry...
I hope this clears thing up a little for you guys.
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Now here is a quote that really pisses me off. Just because there is some intrest in the product Mendola Motors has decided to mark up the cars an extra 30%. When Mendola Motors issued the retail price at $19,995.00 there must have been a profit in there. If you guys are building more cars than expected you are in turn usuing more parts and no doubt get better quantity pricing meaning even more profit on the origional retail pricing. So why opt to increase the pricing by an additional 30% and basically rape the customer with the extra profit? As a retail consumer a move like that turns me off on your product.
This is not a vent on Coolrydes because I know it must have been a decesion by Mendola Motors. This is exactly why I figure that Bruce and Winnie made the wrong decesion by putting their eggs all in one basket having only one basic dealer in North America.
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eastcoastconversions
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Well just back from the Dyno tuning and OH MY GOD
327 hp, 251 ft. in a 2100 lbs car, you do the math....... 
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Coolrydes,
You basically did say 327HP at the wheels. You indicated that you just got back from dyno tuning specifying your cars weight and a picture of it. This would mean that you had it on a chassis dyno and measured the HP at the rear wheels. If you did not have the engine out of the car to put on a engine dyno how did you come up with the HP rating at the crank? Did you just guess?
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coolrydes
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Dunebubby,
First off you called yourself a "troll", I just stated that you may be bored. You said and I quote: "I don't know where you get off acting like I'm some sort of board troll. I don't need to "jump in and slam someone".
As for hidding, I assure you I'm NOT... I'm just sitting back and enjoying your show.....
As I stated I will as soon as our dyno is in the ground and working, be posting proof of exactly how much rear wheel hp we are making. As for turning you away, I did not. You are morethen welcome to place an order today. Come on down and talk to my boss (the owner), take a test drive, if your in the area for the Classic weekend contact us we would love to meet you and help you make that all importain final dession.
As of now you've made a lot of assumetions, none of which are true. We are more then willing to prove you wrong... Untill then keep enjoying yourself....
DudeAbides,
We never made the statement that it was rear wheel horse power. I'm sorry you see it that way. I was just posting what I was told. Again like I have stated twice now, I will post sheets when our dyno is in the ground and working. Untill then keep bumping our post back to the top with your slanderous commets.
Bajabugman, The outback engine I'm talking about is John's personal turbo, 6 cylinder rail NOT a 2.5l 4 cylinder engine.
Well enjoy yourselve guys I have cars to build. If any of you get serious about buying one, contact us and we'll be happy to help you....
Have a Great Day!!!!
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Dunebubby
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And now he's runnin' and hiding. Because WE as a forum wanted some proof,RE:dyno sheets etc. I didn't actually require proof personally...INITIALLY ,I was just waiting for it to show up on the post,....and it never did. And then the smack talking began.
I wouldn't have even pushed this thread if it weren't for "coolrydes"declairing me a TROLL when all I wanted was the same info other Samba people asked for to DECIDE HOW I MIGHT BEST SPEND MY MONEY.he was in the hot seat,(and STILL is).Prepare to see this thread DAILY as I will still be pushing the issue since coolrydes decided it should be pushed instead of answereing questions.Wanna mess with me or think I'll go away? GAME on. You pushed the wrong button when you turned away THIS potential customer.I will make it my goal to,from now on, push this thread as vigoriusly as I can. Lets see how that plays out.
I'd LOVE to hear from your BOSS. If he doesn't already know how your sending the company down in flames,I'm sure he'd like to.......
Do you even work for Mendiola or you just a board,("bored") troll?
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DudeAbides
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Well just back from the Dyno tuning and OH MY GOD
327 hp, 251 ft. in a 2100 lbs car, you do the math.......
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I just thought it was very deceiving when he posted this quote. When you "get back from the dyno" you get WHEEL HORSEPOWER numbers. When was the last time you were at ANY dyno and they gave you crank HP numbers? The entire purpose of a dyno number is to find out what you are putting to the ground. As soon as he was called on it, the story changed and he said it was crank and not wheel. But that being said, there is no doubt that a 250hp engine in a Buggy would be about as much fun as you can have with your pants on. Although 2100lbs is about 900lbs too heavy.. I just didn't see any reason to embellish the numbers. Remember, "Always tell the truth, there is less to remember."
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Dunebubby
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| These engines are based on Subaru's 2.5L motor producing up to 600HP |
thats from the link and displacement is also bumped up.
and why are they saying they are capable of up to 600hp and theres one running 1000hp
Im not saying its not possible but dyno sheets would keep me out of the forum. |
Unfortunately you didn't ask for dyno sheets initially.According to coolrydes that makes you some sort of board troll.That's right, if you didn't ask first you don't have a right to want to see the info...
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I don't know you or where you are coming from, however it looks like you maybe board and thought you would jump in and slam somebody..
Coolrydes |
What an asshat.Am I the only one who finds it hard to believe that someone at Mendiola can't pick up the phone,call the people at Outback and tell them,"Look I need the dyno sheets,I'm taking a pummeling here since I have no proof of my claims". I asssume Mendiola paid or in some way compensated the folks at Outback for their work. Why would you even roll the car out of Outback if you got NO documentation? I find it hard to believe the Mendiola boys showed up to pick up the Manxster without getting any doc.s
Mendiola:"So the Manxsters ready?"
Outback:"Ah yup"
Mendiola:"Runs well does it?"
Outback: "uh huh"
Mendiola: "so how did it run on the dyno?"
Outback: "good,ah,yeah,it ran GOOD"
Mendiola: "That's great lets see the dyno sheets"
Outback: "Huh?"
Mendiola: " Dyno sheets,could we get a copy of them?"
Outback: "Dyno sheets? Nah,we don't print much around here,wastes paper......."
You've got to be kidding me. How could you expect to market a car and when people ask for specs on the car you just tell them,"It has lots of power,trust me......."
1000 HP in that motor is routinely achieved,.....When your bench racin' anyway....
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Im not saying its not possible but dyno sheets would keep me out of the forum. |
Dyno sheets would have kept most of us "Board" trolls out of this thread. But unfortunately those are too hard to come up with. Would you trust any info at this point after having to beg for months for it anyway?
That's fine if one or both companies want to run their businesses like crap,we don't have to give 'em a penny.
They don't want your stinkin' money anyway
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bajabugman66
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| These engines are based on Subaru's 2.5L motor producing up to 600HP |
thats from the link and displacement is also bumped up.
and why are they saying they are capable of up to 600hp and theres one running 1000hp
Im not saying its not possible but dyno sheets would keep me out of the forum.
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bajabugman66
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Exactly, thats kinda the point im getting at, the skyline in the link runs 98 and produces 700bhp
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didget69
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Outback Motorsports link for their motor matrix... http://www.outbackmotors.com/motor_matrix.htm
John's motors are achieving high HP numbers, but with plenty of mods - forged pistons, mod'd blocks, different rods, etc... turbo'd DOHC 2.5 using 110 Race gas saying output of around 450hp? Don't know that he is using it on the street much...
I can squeeze a Honda B18 to 1,000hp, but it's only going to be a spike & do it once... 
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bajabugman66
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| The owner of Outback has a turbo charged rail with the same style engine making 1000hp with 30psi of boost. |
I have a bit of a hard time believing that. A couple of things to consider.
1 the two IMO strongest engines (2jz + rb26) are hard to push 1000hp out of.
2 This is very expensive
3 did I say expensive
4 1000hp to 2 wheels is dumb when this is what 700bhp to 4 can do
http://videos.streetfire.net/search/kismo/0/74346674-b08f-40dd-9eb7-d0b390d591fe.htm
but 1000hp would be sweet, could you post some pics, id love to see it if at all possible.
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