Is there really a "right way" to resto.

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timgud. Yea I pulled off some wiered metal long clip things that would have been behind the windshield. They like grab onto the body Im not sure if they were for the wind shield or headliner or what I just noticed them last night while I was cleaning things up and getting ready for body work. What do you think about this keifernet? jakub_kaminski, I personaly know proboubly the least about all this stuff out of everybody here, I absolutly respect your opinion on all this stuff and I dont second guess anyone. When you become defensive thats when people begin to second guess you. Thanks for all your input.

[TimGud]

Jakub: Like 79 super said this isn't the rants and raves section and I shouldn't have been making fun of you here. You know its alot easier to admit your wrong on occasion,than to constantly butt heads with everyone. For your age you know alot,but there are others here that know much more than you or myself.

[TimGud]

Albersondh: you mentioned breaking the wind shield.I have had problems reinstalling 69 and up windshields that have the thick metal clips that hold in the headliner,and have been told thier purpose was to help keep the windshield in during a front end collision. I dont know if they are also on supers, but the only two windshields I have broken had them on. My solution was to remove them.

[keifernet]

Jakub,Why don't you look in the mirror and repeat that last part of your last post 100 times.... This isn't a rant thread I have disagreed with you without ever calling you a name or making it personal, but I can start anytime you like...
You are a youngster compared to most of the other people posting info on this site and for YOU to say our posts are BS and messing up this site then your in denial...
Remeber it's not a lie or BS if you beleive it... and since you think everything you say is 100% acurate then you are definantly high on your own BS.... Most of the people who read these posts know what's good advice or info and those who don't, like you still have alot of learning to do.

[79SuperVert]

Jakub, this site wouldn't be the same without you...but ease up on judging people. If you disagree with them just state your point. No name calling. Unless you know these people personally. I don't and so I gotta wonder where you're coming from when you call people idiots. You seem to know a lot, and you seem to have opinions people disagree with. Let's keep it light and fun. People aren't posting bs on here deliberately. We're all here to learn and share.

[TimGud]

Man where the hell were you when I sold my superbeatle? Next one I come up with I'll let ya know first.

[fourboxers]

oh and check the classifiedson this site. i just checked the first page of the post 68 section and theres a 1968 for 8900 mint restored and theres a 73 or 9500 also restored.

i wish you idiots wouldnt fill up the forums with bs , becasue your only hurting the website.

[fourboxers]

oh yeah you guys know your vws eh. yup a 71 super in absolute perfect condition undriven fully restored trailer queen is worth 10-12. the old car price guide says 15 but i thihk thats a little high. dont listen to people like keifer and tim on this thread , like i said the reason that this price seems doubtfull is becasue there isnt any people that restore supers to this kind of quality ,thats why you havnt seen any selling for that kind of money. but actually if youve ever been to auctions such as the barret-jackson and such you see those kind of cars come up or survivors that go for big bucks. ofcourse if your not going frame off but just freshening it up and you will drive it then 4 is a good estimate like oregonian said.


if you look at the rants and raves someone posted that my beetle looks like it was hit buy a train and me asking 1600usd for it was "OUCH" well i sold it in one day , so you can believe what you want .....

[keifernet]

79, I'm not sure I get your point on that last post???? Do you mean they can't tell a nice bug from a POS with a salvaged title...LOL! OH, that doesn't matter, I forgot... eh Tim?

[79SuperVert]

To the general public a Beetle is a Beetle and they can't tell the difference between a standard and a super. They smile and point at it all the same.

[TimGud]

Aww come on, You really shouldn't doubt the kid. Its obvious he knows "everything" about VW's. LOL

[keifernet]

Yeah, I like the "what it's worth" estimates from fantasy land... where the insurance fairy gives you top dollar and pays you for everything you ever added to the car as long as you have the reciept! LOL! And there are people stopping you everyday begging for you to sell them your 71-later Super for 10 grand.....!

[oregonian52]

As much as I enjoy my original 72 Super I know it will never be worth more than $4000 fully restored to perfection. I've been offered $3200 for mine.
$10-12000 is for those 79 convertibles with 1000 original miles. The market for supers is just not all that great. For us Super fans it just makes the cars cheaper to buy and restore.

[keifernet]

Hey, did you clear your mailbox yet? I had a few more shots for you if you want... mail me....

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Yea to be honest this isnt really the car I want or wanted. I want to go fast ,very fast, I know it can be done in the super but for a substantialy larger sum of $$. So I consider this task of restoring this car as my way of trying to preserve a piece of history. I dont plan on keeping it when Im done "but who knows" the old lady is kinda taking a liking to it. When its all done I hope I can find someone who can really appreceate the historical asspect of it, and the hard work it took to make it like new again. No custom anything for this super just as close to 1971 as it can get.

[fourboxers]

i think restoring them is better for the hobby personally but it doesnt matter to me as long as you dont throw on suiside doors and shave it and try to make it look like a 65 while your at it. id restore it i think its a good car becasue its a 71 which was the first year of the super, now that autocrossing is getting popular and more people are realising the potential of the irs cars the first year fully restored super might be worth something down the road.

[79SuperVert]

So what is better? Keeping it original, or restoring it? I mean, for long-term investment purposes? If you restore it, you have to compare what you're spending on it vs. what you might get when you sell it. If you keep it original, you spend a lot less money so you don't need to sell it for as much to get a decent return. And it helps keep prices down for the hobby. I think. I don't know.

[Aussiebug]

Beetle boy - take your foul mouth someplace else and let us get on with talking VWs.

Either that or offer some useful suggestions without the %$&*#

Regards
Rob
Rob and Dave's aircooled VW pages
Repairs and maintenance for the home mechanic
http://www.geocities.com/aussiebug1970/

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Hey albersondh, I just finished nearly 2 years of restoring a 72 Super Beelte and had pretty much the exact same question as you: Is there a "right way" to resto a VW? I wanted to make it look just like it did in 72--that changed a little, but it is mostly stock expect the ride height--I lowered it about 4 inches all the way around and it looks awesome! Just like you, I did not take the pan off, but did a complete resto of everything else--inside and out; replacing all 4 fenders, trim, weatherstripping, rubber, handles, knobs, complete interior, added some cool correct accessories. Your on the right path: when you're done stripping (and labeling all parts, screws, bolts, etc), do the body work, any mechanical/suspension work, paint, install interior, exterior trim, tires/wheels, wash, wax, drive with pride! When I started the project, I knew alot about cars, having had several American muscle cars, but this was my first VW. Some advice: stayed tuned to this site, read everything about VWs you can get your hands on, go to shows, ask people, buy quality parts, be patient, don't do anything half-ass, if its in the budget pay for a high quality paint job and get your hands dirty! Dude, we practically have the same car, I will be glad to answer any questions, I can. Post them here and keep us updated on your progress; if you want I can email you pics of my car. Pete. Check out the following websites:
http://www.1302super.com
http://www.webwrench.com/airaccess/
http://www.thebugshop.org/index.htm

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Yes The old dash had some little cracks in it so I am replacing it. Thanks for the info all that you just mentioned is not in my Haynes repair manual. Im sure Ill have about a million other question before this is over. Thanks keifernet.