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perello Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:05 am Post subject: |
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I've been always told that IF there is transfer of material at the points, from one electrode to the other, THAT is signal of a bad condenser?
I misunderstood something? _________________ Aug '58 pressed bumper SO23
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Glenn  Mr. 010

Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 79282 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Snort wrote: |
My first ever condenser failure just occurred. The wire separated from the lead in. Symptoms were as previously mentioned. The engine idled fine, but misfired when under load. |
Yup... that's the sign of a bad condenser.
Those yellow wire condensers are 40+ years old and you should not be surprised that it failed.
I'll have to make sure I carry a spare since I have a old condenser on my car. _________________ Glenn
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Snort Samba Member
Joined: April 02, 2005 Posts: 1964 Location: Seattle, WA
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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My first ever condenser failure just occurred. The wire separated from the lead in. Symptoms were as previously mentioned. The engine idled fine, but misfired when under load. |
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billmetric Samba Member

Joined: March 16, 2006 Posts: 1062 Location: Columbus City USA
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Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:11 am Post subject: |
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I have had a couple go bad, the cars ran like crap, they must have been partially shorted internaly, once they were switched out with new ones the cars ran fine again, they had no acceleration but idled ok, I think the best bet is to change them out at least every 10 years, once the points have been filed down as many times as possible its time for a new condensor _________________ There is an idea of a Billmetric; some kind of abstraction. But there is no real me: only an entity, something illusory. And though I can hide my cold gaze, and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable... I simply am not there... |
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EverettB  Administrator

Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 71364 Location: Phoenix 602
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virtanen Samba Member

Joined: January 08, 2006 Posts: 1494 Location: Finland
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:09 am Post subject: |
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You can measure the capacity by suitable gauge. If it is zero, your capacitor is dead. |
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Glenn  Mr. 010

Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 79282 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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I'm running a 40+ year old condenser on my Bosch 010 on my 2180. _________________ Glenn
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tasb  The Distributor Distributor
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 6682 Location: Pentwater, Michigan
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Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Not all that often from my experience. Visuallly other than obvious can damage or insulation worn off the lead wire there is no way to tell. |
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rdwood Samba Member

Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 187
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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How often do condensers go bad? How can you tell? |
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Glenn  Mr. 010

Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 79282 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:11 am Post subject: |
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Left to right:
Wolfsburg West repro - NOS Bosch - new Bosch 02170
_________________ Glenn
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Glenn  Mr. 010

Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 79282 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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I just got my order and have to say they sort of look correct.
The bad:
The body is way to shiny... looks like chrome.
The wire is too thin and the loop on the engine doesn't hold it's shape.
The good:
They fit.
They work.
I'll post a side by side picture tomorrow. _________________ Glenn
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RareAir Samba Member

Joined: May 11, 2002 Posts: 14577 Location: 18 miles North of the border
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:32 am Post subject: |
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Glenn wrote: |
I didn't expect a kid of Spanish Inquisition.
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I prefer the Mel Brooks version of the Inquisition, via History of the World Prt 1 |
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Glenn  Mr. 010

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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 6:51 am Post subject: |
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I didn't expect a kid of Spanish Inquisition.
_________________ Glenn
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virtanen Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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Major Woody wrote: |
The information in this thread is incorrect. The condenser is available from Wolfsburg West. |
No, it's correct. WW is not delivering Bosch parts, they are reproductions. |
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Major Woody Samba Enigma

Joined: December 04, 2002 Posts: 9016 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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The information in this thread is incorrect. The condenser is available from Wolfsburg West. |
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splitjunkie Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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Just ribbin' ya.
You must get Wolfsburg wired delivered to you inbox too. _________________ Chris
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johnshenry Samba Member

Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9405 Location: Northwood, NH USA
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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Glenn wrote: |
splitjunkie wrote: |
is there an echo in here?? |
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Damn you.... _________________ John Henry
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Glenn  Mr. 010

Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 79282 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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splitjunkie wrote: |
is there an echo in here?? |
Damn you....  _________________ Glenn
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splitjunkie Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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is there an echo in here?? _________________ Chris
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Glenn  Mr. 010

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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:22 am Post subject: |
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THEY'RE BACK
Wolfsburg West now has in stock reproduction 36hp condensers that look fairly close to the original yellow wire ones. These will fit on VJU4BR8, VJ4BR8 and 0 231 192 019 distributors. They will also fit on 383, but are the small diameter version.
I spoke to them and they have 2000 in stock so hopefully they will be around for a while.
http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=111905295 _________________ Glenn
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