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sub-hatchtim Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2006 Posts: 2667 Location: Phoenix AZ
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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i have run bfg at's on a 95 f350 long bed, 88 jeep grand wagoner, 07 f150, 97 wrangler and i have been pleased with them in snow ice and sand i don't see much mud so i cant say but i love these tires they last forever they feel pretty good on asphalt and aren't outrageously expensive _________________ 58' pg/sg silo fridge westy
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aguabonita Samba Member
Joined: November 27, 2005 Posts: 267 Location: Monterey, CA
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Posted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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redcanoe wrote: |
I'm familiar with what the tire looks like, but not on the van, with the GW wheels. Looking for a side view pic if you have the mind to.
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Here are a couple of pics for you. The van is getting worked on obviously so it's a bit of a mess.
_________________ '87 Westfalia, GW 2.2, and some other goodies
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redcanoe Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2007 Posts: 150
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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I'm familiar with what the tire looks like, but not on the van, with the GW wheels. Looking for a side view pic if you have the mind to.
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aguabonita Samba Member
Joined: November 27, 2005 Posts: 267 Location: Monterey, CA
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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redcanoe wrote: |
Aguabonita
What size WRG2s did you put on. Pics ?
I'm thinking the same route as WRC vans aren't available in Canada. |
I'm pretty sure they are 205/65/16. I can't get a pic now as she is getting painted. They are a firmer ride than the Hydroedges, that's for sure. I feel like there is less rolling resistance but maybe that's in my mind. I might drop by the shop in the next day or so and if I do I will take a pic. There is a picture of them (and the WRCs) on the VanCafe website.
http://www.van-cafe.com/home/van/page_1223_1404/nokian_tire_2057015_wrg2entyre.html _________________ '87 Westfalia, GW 2.2, and some other goodies
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redcanoe Samba Member
Joined: August 13, 2007 Posts: 150
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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Aguabonita
What size WRG2s did you put on. Pics ?
I'm thinking the same route as WRC vans aren't available in Canada. |
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aguabonita Samba Member
Joined: November 27, 2005 Posts: 267 Location: Monterey, CA
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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While they're not exactly considered all terrain, I just installed some nokian wrg2s on my gw alloys. They seem pretty beefy, though they aren't C rated. They seem more burly than the hydroedges I used to have on there.
I should mention that my big brakes from vancafe had to be modified a touch due to some rubbing - but that was happening with my hydroedges as well. _________________ '87 Westfalia, GW 2.2, and some other goodies
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TopBud Samba Member
Joined: February 28, 2004 Posts: 1188 Location: Flagstaff AZ
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Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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I searched and read through the posts, but ....
I currently have steel 16" wheels and BFG 225/70/16 with OME and Van cafe springs. I have an opportunity to purchase BFG 22/75/16 new, but mounted on another wheel for very cheap. In the winter I usually run a 14" studded tire. My question is will the 225/75/16 fit or will it be too big and I will suffer from the stock 2.1.
Thanks _________________ 86 bostig syncro tin top
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RubesMatubes Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2008 Posts: 23 Location: Central Coast California
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offroad. Samba Member

Joined: January 01, 2009 Posts: 211 Location: llanelli, s wales
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 11:57 am Post subject: |
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i`ve run general grabber at2`s and kuhmo kl71`s in the snow and the at2`s win hands down. i`ve not used a specific snow tyre as in uk snow is not very common.
the gearing " 4.86 " on my syncro and 2.1 was not good with the 255/65/16 at2`s that i run so be carefull not to go to big in the diameter.
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jkorn04 Samba Member
Joined: October 11, 2009 Posts: 29 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 10:33 am Post subject: |
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I have the Mud Terrain KM2s by bf goodrich, and they are sweet... It's a new pattern that they came out with and is very good in the snow. noise on the road is minimal, same as when i had the BF AT's on. i'm on a 15 inch mefro with 235/75s |
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idahoskier Samba Member

Joined: March 30, 2009 Posts: 161 Location: Donnelly, ID
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 9:28 am Post subject: |
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In order to run the BFG on a 16x7.5 wheel you should have a lift for 2wd. I would not even consider it without one. They will probably rub on the front fenders when fully compressed and turning, even with a lift. Im at 18.25" (16x7 Et30 wheels) in front and mine hit about 3 times (and did some superficial tread damage ) before I decided to roll my fenders. Hasnt happend since. Also keep in mind that the BFG 215/70/16 is 743 rev/mile which is about a 10% drop in gearing. BFGs do fine in the snow for me (not my DD), but if I was dealing with ice a lot (like in VT) or it was my DD then Id use studs in winter (roads in my area are snow covered for about 5 months of the year). _________________ 85 Westy w/ 2.2L Subaru
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RubesMatubes Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2008 Posts: 23 Location: Central Coast California
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Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 8:16 am Post subject: Re: AT Tires to fit on 16" Gowesty Wheels? |
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So does anyone have an answer to the original question? I too, am curious. Do BFG A/T + GW 16" wheels= driveable? Also, consider the GW 1.5" lifting springs as a variable. Thanks
cheekoman wrote: |
Hey all:
I have the Gowesty 16" Wheel and tire package and unfortunately for me they came with some awesome 3 season tires, but they SUCK in the snow and are dangerous to drive. The tires are 215/60-16 and I'm wondering what other sizes would fit. I would love to run BFG AT tires.
Anyone have any suggestions on what they are using on those wheels besides the Michelin HydroEdge? Something with more meat for winter driving would be great.
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Syncroincity Samba Member

Joined: April 15, 2007 Posts: 1557 Location: New York City
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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The obvious solution is to go to Van Cafe and pick up a set of the 16" steelies, of find a set of beater Benz rims and have two sets of tires. I have experienced both the BFG ATs and Hakkas, and the Finns win in the snow, hands down. If you do get a dedicated snow tire, go as narrow as you can, I think 215s would be about perfect.
Hakkas ain't cheap... there are a bunch of clones out there that work just as well, I got a set of Hankooks for my Jetta that perform brilliantly, the tread pattern is identical to Hakkapellittas, almost half the price;
_________________ '86 Syncro CHC Top AAZ Turbodiesel
'04 Passat Variant 4Mo 5MT
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jerrydog411 Samba Member

Joined: September 28, 2009 Posts: 388 Location: North Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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try one of these on for super load rating and very quiet ... Hakka C - not for snow; WRC - all weather (has it's own thread on the samba - search the forums) in 3 different 16" sizes.
Not BF or Michelin but highly rated & load rated.
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Masta Shake Samba Member

Joined: October 29, 2010 Posts: 198 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 3:21 pm Post subject: Michelin LTX vs BFG A/T |
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I'm pretty confused. GoWesty sells the 16" wheels (which I have- 90 Syncro Camper)) with the BFG. They are the LT215/70/16 and have a load rating of 100. The similar Michelins are not LT and have a load rating of 99. I'd rather have the quiter Michelins. I have them on my pickup and love them, especially in the snow and rain. The BFGs are bitchin, but noisy and rough. I'm concerned about over taxing the tires but the weight range is within 50 pounds per tire...
Assistance here? |
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Christopher Schimke Samba Member

Joined: August 03, 2005 Posts: 5526 Location: PNW
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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mtac wrote: |
loogy,
10-4, GoWesty 16" rims
the original package (previous owner purchase) had 215/60/16 Michelin X-0nes |
That would most surely be "apple to apple". Thanks! _________________ "Sometimes you have to build a box to think outside of." - Bruce (not Springsteen)
*Custom wheel hardware for Audi/VW, Porsche and Mercedes wheels - Urethane Suspension Bushings*
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mtac Samba Member

Joined: July 03, 2005 Posts: 124 Location: Montana
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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loogy,
10-4, GoWesty 16" rims
the original package (previous owner purchase) had 215/60/16 Michelin X-0nes _________________ 1987 Syncro Westy
"Bad roads bring GOOD people... Good roads bring all kinds of people!" |
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Christopher Schimke Samba Member

Joined: August 03, 2005 Posts: 5526 Location: PNW
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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rsxsr wrote: |
Chris, my measurement of right up close was not accurate either.... We have custom wheels made for race cars and I know how difficult it is to get everything right. Suspension clearance, caliper clearance, fender clearance and on the race cars we have a spec for max track we can not exceed. mark |
Hi Mark. Thanks for the additional information. You know, it could be a sickness or an incurable disease, but I tend to get obsessed about wheels and fitments and things. They keep me up at night. I squirrel away every bit of information I can find concerning Vanagon wheel fitments and then compare them to my own expereiences and all of the other information that I gather from others. I guess it really is an incurable disease. _________________ "Sometimes you have to build a box to think outside of." - Bruce (not Springsteen)
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MarkWard Samba Member

Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 18733 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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Chris, my measurement of right up close was not accurate either. The wheels showed up, I mounted my tires and started to install them on the van. There was just that moment when I started to install them that I noticed the offset and the extra long bolts for the front, and the special nuts for the rear. The rim cleared the ball joint, but I did not actually measure it. It was close. I did not pay real attention till I set the van on the ground. I looked at the r/r and thought there is no way the side door will clear. It clears by about a 1/4 inch. The front tire clears the front fender lip pointed straight, but I bet with a good bounce and a turn it might rub the front fender. I was on logging roads in the smokey mountains on vacation and did not have any rub. Over all I have to say I was impressed with the rims from Go Westy as a bolt on kit. I dropped 300 rpm on the highway the main objective to complete the conversion and they look sharp. We have custom wheels made for race cars and I know how difficult it is to get everything right. Suspension clearance, caliper clearance, fender clearance and on the race cars we have a spec for max track we can not exceed. mark |
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Christopher Schimke Samba Member

Joined: August 03, 2005 Posts: 5526 Location: PNW
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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rsxsr wrote: |
It's not an impossible task to fit other rims, but my guess is you spent some time figuring it out. Hopefully this post will help you recoup.  |
That is an understatement! I spend a lot of time figuring out wheel fitments. I have never been one to say "eh, that's good enough". I want wheels to fit as right as possible and sometimes that means spending lots of time figuring out the exact clearances. What I forgot to include (but will edit to reflect) in my post was that wheel width plays a major role in wheel/tire fitment too.
For example, a 16x6 wheel with a 225/70/16 tire has much more freedom in terms of offsets than a 16x7.5 wheel with the same tire. Another thing to consider is that not all tires are measured equally. In fact, I have a set of 225/40/18's here that measure wider than a set of 235/40 18's that I have. Both are installed on the same wheel.
I hope that it didn't come across as me trying to make a blanket statement that you can run a wider tire no matter what, because that is not the case at all. I was simply trying to point out that you really have to compare like wheels and tires with other like wheels and tires.
One more thing and then I will shut up (for a while). When you say that the "front tire is right up against the upper ball joint", how close is "right up against"? The reason I ask is because I have found that wheels and tires can usually be located MUCH closer than a lot of people realize and not have any rubbing issues. I try to keep a minimum of 2mm but I have mounted some even closer with no probelms, ever. The reason for this is because if you look at the the loads that are put into the wheel and tire during cornering, the outside wheel take most of the load and the flex in the various components of the front suspension (including the upper and lower control arm bushings, spindle, upright, hub, wheel, tire, etc.) actually open up the gaps between the wheel/tire and the suspension components. On the inside wheel/tire, the upper control arm drops down as the inside suspension unloads creating more clearance for the wheel/tire. It may be hard to visualize, but it does work. _________________ "Sometimes you have to build a box to think outside of." - Bruce (not Springsteen)
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