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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:32 pm    Post subject: 91 westy pipe replacement Reply with quote

I'm replacing the pipe from the block to the hose under the big pulley to the water pump, can some one tell me the size and length of the rubber hose.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great method to get things apart. What's the best way to get things back together?

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Yup, you can work right thru the cylinder spigots.

In fact, when I'm tearing an engine down, I avoid the difficult task of getting the wrist pin clips and pins out thru the access holes by just removing the rod nuts by reaching in thru the spigot with a long wobble extension. Then it's easy to remove the pistons from the rods out on the bench. You want to have a strong magnet picker-upper tool to reach in and retrieve parts you drop inside, which you will undoubtedly do. Keep count of all the rod nuts, make sure you have eight when you're done.

I would not recommend doing it this way with an engine in the car, only on the bench or an engine stand.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BIG THANKS for this old thread. I'm going in soon, I've got a great milkshake in the sump.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

id wrote:

Dipstick tube with plenty of sealant on it prior to insertion
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Mine leaks like crazy too and I just found a replacement o-ring for me to install this weeken. What kind of sealant did you use on this o-ring and was it just a straight forward push in and the o-ring seats itself?

Thanks... this thread is great.I know how long it takes for photos and write ups so we do appreciate it
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is a great, informative thread. I bought the engine gasket kit from Van Cafe, but am only planning on doing the head gaskets. Not wanting to go as deep as the OP did. Looks like I will have to try doing it with the engine in as I don't have a lift. Will probably hate it Wink


Im leaking coolant on my passenger side head gasket. This thread is great thanks. Not to confident on doing this job though. Anyone have any idead how much it would cost at a shop? thanks
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a great, informative thread. I bought the engine gasket kit from Van Cafe, but am only planning on doing the head gaskets. Not wanting to go as deep as the OP did. Looks like I will have to try doing it with the engine in as I don't have a lift. Will probably hate it Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yuk, never seen anything close to that ugly mess, has it's life been parked on the beach? Looks like the head is pulled off the cyls right?? all of ex loose?? flat guards under head off? Check pushrod tubes, they can get really stuck and bellows sect will streatch about this amt and hold head.


I pull the covers off so I can drain the coolant out of the head/cylinder jackets. I pulled the push rod tubes off too. Usually I don't have to, but after an hour, I figured maybe they were glued on but good. Don't know why this side was so gunky. The other side was pretty clean when I did it last year. This side was supposed to have redone about 60K miles ago.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yuk, never seen anything close to that ugly mess, has it's life been parked on the beach? Looks like the head is pulled off the cyls right?? all of ex loose?? flat guards under head off? Check pushrod tubes, they can get really stuck and bellows sect will streatch about this amt and hold head.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I started replacing the left side of my engine last night.. This one is kicking my ass right now. The head stud holes are so full of corrosion that I can't get the head off.. spent two hours last night just struggling with the head to get it this far.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Before removing heads rotate crank so pistons are 1/2 way down the cyls,gives u more wiggle room if a stuck head needs assistance to unstick and not end up with oil ring or more pulled out bottom of cyl. U will see tabs opposite sides on cyls usable to pry a stuck head loose. Inspect area where cyl seats to head, any dark/black areas will mean start of a compression leak. Always replace the sealing rings here, should be in kit. Iuse an old cyl and with a bit of 'fine' valve grind compound spin the cyl by hand to clean up the sealing area of each cyl, u want all the sealing u can get here.My 2-cts.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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im doing head gaskets soon and have been reading up. does the water pump HAVE to come off? im getting a victor reienze head gasket set (x2) does it come with the inner cylinder o rings, and do you have to change them if not disturbed?
im leaking at the coolant jacket, and my budget wassnt prepared to do this soo soon...


You can do the job in the van. Short answer to the water pump...No. ID went in a lot deeper and did an upper end rebuild. You can just pull the heads and replace the gaskets. You shouldn't need to remove the cylinders unless you notice an issue with them or the piston.

The gasketkit DOES come with the lower cylinder seals. NO, you do not have to replace them. I've done a dozen or so headgasket jobs over 20 years and have never replaced them (jinx, knock on wood) In fact I'm doing the left head on my daily drive 87 starting tonight. (did the right last winter, they always seem to fail in the winter) So long as you don't pull the cylinders out too far-past the oil rings is too far. You will be fine. This was confirmed by boston Bob some 20 years ago.


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do you have a procedure for replacing the head gaskets in the van?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive done a ton of them without replacing the black orings between the cylinder and the crankcase as well. I've done several on customer cars without removing the water pump, despite my warnings of "hey, while we're at it..."

One bit of advice I'd like to add is this. Do you ever hear lifters tapping? It'd be a shame to replace the head gaskets only to have the lifters give you trouble right after and have to remove the heads again. It's happened to me before, swapped the heads out, adjust the lifters, and have one or two that won't pump up for whatever reason. The only way to replace a bad lifter is to use a spring loaded push rod tube and I think they're expensive.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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im doing head gaskets soon and have been reading up. does the water pump HAVE to come off? im getting a victor reienze head gasket set (x2) does it come with the inner cylinder o rings, and do you have to change them if not disturbed?
im leaking at the coolant jacket, and my budget wassnt prepared to do this soo soon...


You can do the job in the van. Short answer to the water pump...No. ID went in a lot deeper and did an upper end rebuild. You can just pull the heads and replace the gaskets. You shouldn't need to remove the cylinders unless you notice an issue with them or the piston.

The gasketkit DOES come with the lower cylinder seals. NO, you do not have to replace them. I've done a dozen or so headgasket jobs over 20 years and have never replaced them (jinx, knock on wood) In fact I'm doing the left head on my daily drive 87 starting tonight. (did the right last winter, they always seem to fail in the winter) So long as you don't pull the cylinders out too far-past the oil rings is too far. You will be fine. This was confirmed by boston Bob some 20 years ago.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just recently did the heads on my 85 1.9l. I assume that you are doing this with the engine in the van? Otherwise you wouldn't ask the question I don't think. Best thing to do is remove the engine and work on it properly. Trust me on this. I did it with the engine in but I feel like it was a minor miracle that it all worked out. If you're keeping it in the van, then you can get the heads off without removing the water pump, but it's getting the heads back on that poses the problem.

There is a small hose between the driver's side head and the thermostat housing that can't be attached unless you remove the thermo housing, which requires you to remove the water pump. My experience was that there's no way to avoid removing the waterpump when you are reassembling everything.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

im doing head gaskets soon and have been reading up. does the water pump HAVE to come off? im getting a victor reienze head gasket set (x2) does it come with the inner cylinder o rings, and do you have to change them if not disturbed?
im leaking at the coolant jacket, and my budget wassnt prepared to do this soo soon...
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 12:16 pm    Post subject: How Much end play is ok ? Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:38 am    Post subject: 12mm or 10mm flywheel main seal? (attn: tencentlife) Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

id, did you get your backfiring and cooling issues straightened out?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 6:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stephan,

The Tstat housing was included in my head order from Boston Bob. Waterbox gasket sealant (the black stuff) came with the gasket package along with the yellow thread sealant.

The other sealants, Gascacinch etc..., came from various FLAPS around town.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi i have a 2.1 that i am building up for my bug, could you tell me where you got your stat housing and sealants from?

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