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photogdave
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 Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:45 pm Post subject: Re: Syncro Westy + Subaru EJ25 in 31 Days? |
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| Holy thread revival. I did this swap 11 years ago. Westy is still running strong. I haven't driven it much the past few years because I added a Sportsmobile E350 and converted to 4x4 (for a long-distance work/live situation). Didn't really like that - SMB interior quality is inferior to Westy. Sold it, then bought a Transit with a Quigley 4x4 conversion and did a decent interior build. Love it! But it is more for work and isn't nearly as fun as the Syncro. The Syncro has been a bit neglected, but we're headed out tomorrow for a few days camping in it. Have missed the Samba community for sure. |
See you at Solstice next year? I'll bring my bike this time!
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Sodo
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Location: Western WA
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| Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:07 pm Post subject: Re: Syncro Westy + Subaru EJ25 in 31 Days? |
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Welcome back.
Syncro Westy has soul.
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ranchero
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Joined: October 11, 2006
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Location: Salida, CO
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| Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:07 pm Post subject: Re: Syncro Westy + Subaru EJ25 in 31 Days? |
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Holy thread revival. I did this swap 11 years ago. Westy is still running strong. I haven't driven it much the past few years because I added a Sportsmobile E350 and converted to 4x4 (for a long-distance work/live situation). Didn't really like that - SMB interior quality is inferior to Westy. Sold it, then bought a Transit with a Quigley 4x4 conversion and did a decent interior build. Love it! But it is more for work and isn't nearly as fun as the Syncro. The Syncro has been a bit neglected, but we're headed out tomorrow for a few days camping in it. Have missed the Samba community for sure.
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pete000
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Location: Bradenton Florida
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I put a couple guages up in my AC ducting. Fit perfectly.
Also have two in the center console.
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Gorge Runner
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Location: Portland, OR
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Gauges:
Hey ranchero,
Do you have any pictures of the gauges you installed in your Vanagon? Where did you mount them, I am going to be adding some gauges to my vanagon and need some suggestions. I wanted to mount them on top of the ashtray, has anyone seen this done?
Kendal |
I'd be interested to see some gauge installations too. I've seen a few up 2 1/16" guages on the dashboard using the ashtray to route wiring. But I'm thinking of using larger Auto Meter 2 5/8" gauges just in front of the shifter on the covering under the radio.
Marc
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kenmag
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Location: Toronto, Canada
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| I've put around 1200 miles on the Enginewiring pulse generator and so far so good. From a cold start the rpm can be a bit sporadic. Sometimes it will quiet right down to proper idle, other times it will sit at 1500-2000 until driven a bit then behaves for the most part but no stalling. |
What year is the EJ22 and ECU ? Was the donor car a manual or automatic ? I had the same problem you describe with my Enginewiring.com VSS simulator. It would usually need several minutes of warm-up before always idling around 650 rpm. If cold, it would idle above 1,200 to 1,500 rpm when coming to a stop. After the engine warmed to a certain point it would behave normally so it was never a big deal, just slightly annoying.
You are the first person besides myself to report "initial high idle" with the Enginewiring.com VSS simulator. My ECU and EJ22 engine were from the same 1992 manual car.
Interesting,
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Hi Chester, interesting findings there.
I bought the '94 EJ22 with all the essential electronics sight unseen and got it crated and shipped to me. The donor car's VIN indicated it was a A/T but the computer is the AB770 which apparently was used in M/T vehicles and the A/T should have had an AB760. I don't think this is a big problem as both the A/T and M/T vehicles used the same MAFM, igniter and IAC valve on 1994 models. Though where I got the engine from assured me everything came from the same A/T donor. Go figure. Now that I've racked about 30K trouble free miles I feel pretty confident I got a good engine, but next time I'd prefer to see the running donor.
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izzydog
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Thanks, OilNBolts. The bulbs in little gauges are slightly brighter than the big gauge bulbs but I should be paying more attention to those anyway so it all works out.
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OilNBolts
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Location: Kentucky
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Wow! Nice setup Izzydog. The pressure and temperature demons will not catch you sleeping.
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izzydog
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I attached mine to the cluster cover. No holes in the dash and cluster covers are cheap if I want to change back. I'm 6' tall so no issues with the steering wheel blocking the gauges. The pod was $9 on eBay and gauges are from eGauges. I shaved the bottom of the pod a bit to fit the slight curve of the cluster cover. Wired the gauges through the dash light dimmer via a three pin plug so I can take the cluster cover off completely. Only downside is that there is a slight reflection on the windshield at night but overall I like having the gauges in my line of sight while driving.
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ranchero
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Location: Salida, CO
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 10:23 am Post subject: |
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Here's the gauge setup that I used.
I think it is the same one that Brent Weide used. I bought everything from egauges.com. I haven't screwed it into the dash yet. Seems to stay put pretty well.
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Gauges:
Hey ranchero,
Do you have any pictures of the gauges you installed in your Vanagon? Where did you mount them, I am going to be adding some gauges to my vanagon and need some suggestions. I wanted to mount them on top of the ashtray, has anyone seen this done?
Kendal |
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OilNBolts
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Location: Kentucky
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 9:41 am Post subject: |
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Gauges:
Hey ranchero,
Do you have any pictures of the gauges you installed in your Vanagon? Where did you mount them, I am going to be adding some gauges to my vanagon and need some suggestions. I wanted to mount them on top of the ashtray, has anyone seen this done?
Kendal |
Someone posted this a while back. Very Nice.
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ChesterKV
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Location: El Cerrito, CA
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 8:05 am Post subject: |
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| I've put around 1200 miles on the Enginewiring pulse generator and so far so good. From a cold start the rpm can be a bit sporadic. Sometimes it will quiet right down to proper idle, other times it will sit at 1500-2000 until driven a bit then behaves for the most part but no stalling. |
What year is the EJ22 and ECU ? Was the donor car a manual or automatic ? I had the same problem you describe with my Enginewiring.com VSS simulator. It would usually need several minutes of warm-up before always idling around 650 rpm. If cold, it would idle above 1,200 to 1,500 rpm when coming to a stop. After the engine warmed to a certain point it would behave normally so it was never a big deal, just slightly annoying.
You are the first person besides myself to report "initial high idle" with the Enginewiring.com VSS simulator. My ECU and EJ22 engine were from the same 1992 manual car.
Interesting,
Chester
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kenmag
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I've put around 1200 miles on the Enginewiring pulse generator and so far so good. From a cold start the rpm can be a bit sporadic. Sometimes it will quiet right down to proper idle, other times it will sit at 1500-2000 until driven a bit then behaves for the most part but no stalling.
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rs4-380
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| Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:27 am Post subject: |
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So I just installed the enginewiring.com VSS ($40) and the symptoms are gone. I was also having an intermittent stalling issue coming to a complete stop after a long highway run. Not sure, but that seems to have disappeared as well.
Steve |
This is good to know. My smallcar vss is in the doesn't work at all camp. Engine runs fine but won't rev over ~42k (not that I ever drive in that range). The signal generator is a better idea anyway, I've placed an order for one.
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kendalwoolf
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Location: Fayette, MO
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Gauges:
Hey ranchero,
Do you have any pictures of the gauges you installed in your Vanagon? Where did you mount them, I am going to be adding some gauges to my vanagon and need some suggestions. I wanted to mount them on top of the ashtray, has anyone seen this done?
Kendal |
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Volksaholic
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Location: Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
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I have wondered what exactly the Subaru VSS feeds to the ECU on a manual trans. I would borrow an oscilloscope and take a peek but my Outback is auto. I wish I knew someone in the Salt Lake City area with a manual Subaru... preferably 2000-2004 2.5L that would trust me to tap into their ECU signal. I suspect that Small Car has the pulses right, but I wonder if the duration of those pulses needs to be tweaked... or maybe it's not really a square wave. A 'scope on the VSS signal would tell us all that.
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ChesterKV
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I did the throttle mod that RichBen mentioned. Definitely led to a bit more throttle opening.
I also wanted to make a plug for the enginewiring.com speed sensor simulator. I just installed it. Previously I had the smallcar one. That one seemed to work ok, but I had a persistent cut out on long (30seconds- several minutes) high-speed hills that felt like the engine just running out of fuel. It felt like it just shut off, but then if I let off the gas for a second, I could go right back to full throttle for another 30-60 seconds. Rinse, repeat. I tried a new fuel filter, spare fuel pump. No go. Someone suggested VSS issue.
So I just installed the enginewiring.com VSS ($40) and the symptoms are gone. I was also having an intermittent stalling issue coming to a complete stop after a long highway run. Not sure, but that seems to have disappeared as well.
Steve |
Dude,
Time and time again I hear stories of the Smallcar VSS "sort of working," not working," or "acting funny." Let us know your final impressions of the enginewiring.com VSS simulator after you've put some more miles on it.
- Chester
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1992 Subaru Legacy EJ22 boxer motor installed.... van is now sold.... currently playing with a 1987 Toyota MR2 with 1.6 liter twin-cam motor. Better than the Subaru boxers....... I'm impressed. Well, okay, in an "apples and oranges" kind of way. |
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ranchero
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I did the throttle mod that RichBen mentioned. Definitely led to a bit more throttle opening.
I also wanted to make a plug for the enginewiring.com speed sensor simulator. I just installed it. Previously I had the smallcar one. That one seemed to work ok, but I had a persistent cut out on long (30seconds- several minutes) high-speed hills that felt like the engine just running out of fuel. It felt like it just shut off, but then if I let off the gas for a second, I could go right back to full throttle for another 30-60 seconds. Rinse, repeat. I tried a new fuel filter, spare fuel pump. No go. Someone suggested VSS issue.
So I just installed the enginewiring.com VSS ($40) and the symptoms are gone. I was also having an intermittent stalling issue coming to a complete stop after a long highway run. Not sure, but that seems to have disappeared as well.
Steve
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izzydog
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I have a 2.2 Subie Syncro Westy with a GM hi-po truck muffler that I found just a little bit too loud for my tastes so I went to my local muffler shop and found a slightly used Dodge Viper muffler for $45. The Viper came stock with an exhaust setup quiet enough to meet federal noise standards for the onboard V10 engine. Well, nobody wants a QUIET Viper so a local Dodge dealer here in the SF Bay area offered an aftermarket exhaust package on the new Vipers and my local muffler shop did the work so they had a dozen or so of these monsters sitting in the rack. It is a 6" round, 21" long stainless beast made out of heavy stock because of the high exhaust temps of the Viper. The inlet and outlet are 2.5" which I'll reduce to 2.25" to fit my CAT and tailpipe. The inlet is offset and the outlet is centered. I got it yesterday and will install it in a few days and report back. Viper onboard. LOL.
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Franklinstower
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I have not done the 30-50 challenge yet, but plan to do so when I have my new muffler ready to bolt on.
I have the stock 2.1 cat and muffler on my 2.2 and I feel like it is pretty restrictive, kind of like there is extra weight always in the Van. Also, I think the KEP air intake system could be less restrictive for more flow.
But with the muffler, I just picked up a Stainless Porsche 911SC single in single out muffler. I am then going to use a stainless resonator test pipe instead of the cat. That Porsche muffler is really big - 2.5 inlet and it is meant for 3.2 litres (I think). TriStar Eric swears by them for his conversions. I feel the stock muffler just can not keep up with all that extra air the Subie pumps out, especially when you are shifting at 5 or 6k rpms. So when I have this ready to bolt on, I will then do the 30-50 challenge with each system.
paul
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