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andymcc1 Samba Member

Joined: April 10, 2010 Posts: 16 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: Steering wheel swap |
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Aerosport wrote: |
I am in the process of doing this steering wheel swap and I noticed that the play in the steering column at the top where it goes through the ignition switch housing bearing is quite a lot the column moves around an 1/8 - 1/4 inch. Is this normal or does that top bearing in the switch housing need to be replaced? Just wondering if others who did this swap experienced the same amount of play and what would be considered a normal amount of play for this area? |
That sounds dreadful. There should be a nylon bush on the column before the lock housing is fitted which takes up any slack between the bearing and column. There may slop in the bearing too in which case renew the housing. There should be no appreciable play at the wheel.
BTW, thumbs up here for the Eurovan wheel:
_________________ '90 252 EJ25
'90 246 AFN
Syncrosport
Volkswagen Transporter, reloaded. |
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Aerosport Samba Member

Joined: March 03, 2014 Posts: 67 Location: LV,NV
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Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:32 am Post subject: Steering wheel swap |
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I am in the process of doing this steering wheel swap and I noticed that the play in the steering column at the top where it goes through the ignition switch housing bearing is quite a lot the column moves around an 1/8 - 1/4 inch. Is this normal or does that top bearing in the switch housing need to be replaced? Just wondering if others who did this swap experienced the same amount of play and what would be considered a normal amount of play for this area? _________________ Stan L
'87 Westy GL - "Stanagon", 2wd WBX 4 speed
15" Rhein alloys, GW 1.5" lift springs & Fox shocks |
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davevickery Samba Member
Joined: July 16, 2005 Posts: 2887 Location: Fort Collins, CO
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Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:00 am Post subject: |
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joetiger wrote: |
WestyZetec wrote: |
The early euro van wheels are a direct swap to I just did mine a couple of weeks ago picket it up fo $30 looks good |
That's what I have. The only thing I don't like about it is the inability to turn on/off high beams while the wheel is in straight-ahead position. The back sides of the wheel are fatter than the Vanagon wheel and impede the stalk. |
I took a sander to it on that side/corner so it would clear. It is just foam and you can't see it when you put the wheel back.
There is a Jetta wheel in the classifieds that looks nice too, kinda similar looking and more common model in the junkyards. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1593323 |
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joetiger  Samba Member

Joined: January 27, 2005 Posts: 5219 Location: denver
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Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:51 am Post subject: |
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WestyZetec wrote: |
The early euro van wheels are a direct swap to I just did mine a couple of weeks ago picket it up fo $30 looks good |
That's what I have. The only thing I don't like about it is the inability to turn on/off high beams while the wheel is in straight-ahead position. The back sides of the wheel are fatter than the Vanagon wheel and impede the stalk. _________________ Joe T.
'86 NAHT Vanagon GL Syncro/ supercharged ABA 2.0 "Pigpen"
'91 Wolfsburg Carat "Barchetta"
'02 Baja-ish Beetle "Bubbles"
"get metaphysical with it. if it's simply a means to get to and from places, it will let you down. if it becomes your zen, it can't fail you." -dabaron
"Still, it's good to be afield."--VWagabond
Check out my book: Vanagon to Louisiana--A Two-Lane Reckoning Through Past and Present
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WestyZetec Samba Member
Joined: January 19, 2014 Posts: 6 Location: Monroe NY
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Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:27 am Post subject: |
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The early euro van wheels are a direct swap to I just did mine a couple of weeks ago picket it up fo $30 looks good |
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rubbachicken Samba Member

Joined: October 05, 2004 Posts: 3058 Location: socal
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Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:20 am Post subject: |
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i have the 4 button golf wheel, a direct bolt on, it covers the gauges a little, but when you can't make the speed limit, who cares how fast you are going _________________ lucy our westy
lucy's BIG adventure
meet 'burni' |
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SteveVanB Samba Member

Joined: June 01, 2008 Posts: 1645 Location: This side of Daytona
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Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:14 am Post subject: |
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goffoz wrote: |
designer wrote: |
a914622 wrote: |
FYI
The porsche 944 and some 928s are a direct bolt on swap as well... |
If anybody is listening ... what years?
thanks!
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I think All the 928's are the same ...I have a 928 in brownish that I'm not going to use.
I like my vanagon (bus like) wheel |
Me too. I have one from a 944. While it did bolt on, it moved the wheel closer to me and felt abnormally small. Looks ok hangin on the garage wall  _________________ 91 CARAT |
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goffoz Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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designer wrote: |
a914622 wrote: |
FYI
The porsche 944 and some 928s are a direct bolt on swap as well... |
If anybody is listening ... what years?
thanks!
-cc- |
I think All the 928's are the same ...I have a 928 in brownish that I'm not going to use.
I like my vanagon (bus like) wheel |
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designer Samba Member

Joined: November 05, 2009 Posts: 523 Location: Idaho-but just the tip
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Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2014 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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a914622 wrote: |
FYI
The porsche 944 and some 928s are a direct bolt on swap as well... |
If anybody is listening ... what years?
thanks!
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Franklinstower Samba Member

Joined: September 21, 2006 Posts: 1971 Location: PNW
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Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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I finished my GTI steering wheel mod today. thanks 1621 for the info you provided.
At first i didn't realize I needed the spline adapter, so I went back to the pull a part and I figured out you can get those adapters off with just a screw driver and a hammer. Pry the screw driver against the lip on the adapter and whack the steering column down, about 3 hits later the adapter comes right off. To get the adapter onto the vanagon column, I used emery cloth on a drill to open up the adapter so it didn't need to be pressed on, I could then take it on and off by hand so fitting was much easier. To get the column, blinker and horn tabs all lined up correctly, I used the part of the adapter that i needed to cut off, basically at the grove in the adapter, as a spacer. I put that spacer below the key assembly and under the plastic bearing bushing. then I need to put a small spacer under the outer most black plastic spacer that the horn ring rides on so my horn wouldn't go off as i turned or pushed on the wheel....
the only issue is now my steering wheel lock out doesn't engage when the key is removed. But I don't really care about that.
I can fix that later...
Paul _________________ '89 Westy - EJ25/22 Frank 4.44 5mt
'75 Miami Blue Sunroof FI Standard Bug
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1621 Samba Member

Joined: May 15, 2006 Posts: 2174
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Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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Mick Ord wrote: |
Hi again 1621, sorry to keep bugging you...did you do the complete conversion as per the instructions- did you grind a new groove in the bottom of the rack ?, and if so how ?
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I may have, but honestly I don't recall and I don't really want to dismantle my steering assembly to check. If it doesn't make sense to grind a new groove, then I wouldn't. He had it in there for a reason though, so it's gonna be a game time decision for you to make. Can you see a need for it?
What is the purpose for the groove in the first place? _________________ '85 Westy |
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Mick Ord Samba Member
Joined: April 26, 2008 Posts: 203 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2011 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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Hi again 1621, sorry to keep bugging you...did you do the complete conversion as per the instructions- did you grind a new groove in the bottom of the rack ?, and if so how ?
Thxs _________________ 1991 Syncro Westy- 2.5 Suby
1989 Syncro Tristar ( sold)
1988 2wd Tristar- about to start resto/rebuild !! |
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Noganav T3 Samba Member
Joined: August 11, 2010 Posts: 101 Location: California
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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nice job,
I had the SA wheel on my syncro for a couple years, nice with the arm rests when your hands sit right on the spokes of the wheel. this wheel shown looks like it would also work like that |
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1621 Samba Member

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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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It's tight, it should be. Use a little anti-sieze or dish soap to get it to slide down on the original splines. I seem to recall using a deep socket and a small mallet for tapping it into place. You'll certainly want the block of wood under the steering column for this trick!  _________________ '85 Westy |
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Mick Ord Samba Member
Joined: April 26, 2008 Posts: 203 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:47 pm Post subject: |
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Again, many thanks 1621...how was your adaptor to fit ?, did it slide on or was it really tight ?..are the splines the same size ?...the one i had was as tight as hell !!! and was basically detroyed taking it off _________________ 1991 Syncro Westy- 2.5 Suby
1989 Syncro Tristar ( sold)
1988 2wd Tristar- about to start resto/rebuild !! |
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1621 Samba Member

Joined: May 15, 2006 Posts: 2174
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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I don't have a part number for you, but you should be able to find it at the VW dealership's parts department. As for the spacers, they'll rest on top of the steel collar welded on about midway up the steering column, and below the plastic collar that normally sits atop the steel collar.
The second spacer is something perhaps unique to my situation, though it may be yours as well. I cut another thin (2mm) plastic spacer to rest between the turn signal housing and the steering wheel itself. My issue was the column would slide down just enough (1-2mm) to cause the horn to blast anytime I turned the steering wheel. Perhaps this could have been by other means, but this solution proved simple and effective. It's not worn down after 3+ years, and I haven't had any issues whatsoever.
The following is one of the illustrations lifted from BenT's Vanagon Cafe site (http://vanagoncafe.com/) with credit to a gentleman named Yoshi. While the illustration is a bit confusing, in practice it's not too bad.
One last thing that will help you considerably is to wedge a block of wood between the floor and the bottom of the steering column to prevent it from sliding down while you're working. It should also help you adjust your spacers to the correct size and perhaps negate the need for the additional spacer separating the turn signal housing and steering wheel.
_________________ '85 Westy |
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Mick Ord Samba Member
Joined: April 26, 2008 Posts: 203 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 5:57 am Post subject: |
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Thxs 1621,
I already looked at that and found it quite confusing !!!, i'll try and give it another go tho.
My "new" wheel came with a spacer that was unbelievably tight to fit !!...its now wrecked trying to get it off ( bearing puller would not get it off !)...im gonna have to get another one and cut it down as you described, is it a VW part ?, any idea on the part # ???
Ive already wrecked one steering column and a spacer trying to fit this wheel !!!!!, so any help would be great...thxs _________________ 1991 Syncro Westy- 2.5 Suby
1989 Syncro Tristar ( sold)
1988 2wd Tristar- about to start resto/rebuild !! |
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1621 Samba Member

Joined: May 15, 2006 Posts: 2174
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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Mick Ord wrote: |
Resurected !!...
i have tried to follow these instructions- ive cut the adaptor down to size, but can't seem to figure out what and where exactly the spacers and washer mentioned are meant to go ???
Im in the middle of this, so any help would be really appreciated.. thxs ! |
Follow the link to this site, and about halfway down the page you'll find a couple images and a brief write up.
http://sites.google.com/site/vanagoncafe/vanagon-cafe-how-to-page _________________ '85 Westy |
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Mick Ord Samba Member
Joined: April 26, 2008 Posts: 203 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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Resurected !!...
i have tried to follow these instructions- ive cut the adaptor down to size, but can't seem to figure out what and where exactly the spacers and washer mentioned are meant to go ???
Im in the middle of this, so any help would be really appreciated.. thxs ! _________________ 1991 Syncro Westy- 2.5 Suby
1989 Syncro Tristar ( sold)
1988 2wd Tristar- about to start resto/rebuild !! |
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a914622 Samba Member

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Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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FYI
The porsche 944 and some 928s are a direct bolt on swap as well... |
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