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bill may
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bill may
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| hmmm...looks like someone took my post literally. I wonder why that is. As it goes, if the shoe fits, wear it. If you are gonna drive your car, it's preferred that you put some undercoating on it, as it does work. I've also got a '74 Dasher that was undercoated wherever it left a dealers lot, or before, and is completely solid and it has lived everywhere from Georgia, and up to Illinois. If there is anyone who argues that undercoating is a bad idea, look at the majority of cars which have had it applied. I hardly believe it to be some silly marketing ploy to get buyers to spend more money on a car before it's sold. I've been to a number of shows here in Southern California, and being VW specific, i've seen plenty of the 'stars' from the rocks hitting the undersides of the fenders. Furthermore, i've seen plenty of west coast cars without the undercoating that have rusted fenderwells, vice the cars with undercoating, don't so much have this problem. Everyone has rusty floorboards for the most part--but that's another issue entirely. But then again, i don't plan on showing my car off for it's $Value$, i don't care what someone 'thinks' is hiding underneath the undercoating. I'll show them the pictures of they care to know what's underneath, afterall, i put it all on there over the past 2+ years of working on my car. I love when people take posts as personal attacks then make arguments out of it. |
With all the discussion on this topic in this thread (not to mention, how many times this has been discussed in the past), your logic and train of thought eludes me.... |
i am eluded also. paint them while you have paint in the gun. then cover the paint with whatever you wish to use.
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iowegian 
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BAHAMA BLUE!!  |
Ruby Red, please, |
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Cliff@BrownBags
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| i would undercoat them or if you paint i would do flat black. you can always touch up piss can black and trust me you will have to. any chips and scratches will turn to rust and you will have to do touch ups ect. just make sure if you undercoat them you get the kind that fully dries.... made that mistake before lol |
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67 Florida Deluxe
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volkswagenut
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DOVE BLUE!....... 
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ocdbeetle
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Lotus White...
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volkswagenut
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Id like to have dove blue....... 
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67 Florida Deluxe
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67 Florida Deluxe
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(Unrelated hi-jack of my own thread) Are there any sources for Sea Blue fender beading?
Kind Regards,
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Keep an eye on the classifieds and ebay. Sometimes an old stash of parts gets uncovered and it's NOS  . You can tell the German kind from aftermarket easily. The original German kind only has color on the visible part of the beading. The part that tucks between the fender and body is black. Here is a photo of original bead. See how it only has the color on the round part that shows - the rest is black.
Kent
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67 Florida Deluxe
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Hi, kids--I'm new to this "discussion", but I'll toss my $.02 in anyway.
My '66 was delivered to an American at the factory on August 31, 1965.
for the next 4 years and 26, 540 miles it was driven in Greece, Germany, and
throughout Europe. Then it drove year-round in Colorado for another 35 years and 96,000+ miles.
Undercoating= zero
Rust= zero
The undersides of the fenders,etc.=original Ruby Red.  |
Forget about it, Weegie. We drink that funny Kool-Aid that only makes us think we have original cars that have been used just like all the rest but yet we dont have dents, "stars", rust or whatever in the fenders. Apparenly, it blurs our vision and clouds our judgment so that we can't tell the difference. Or that we know the differences between good thick original German fenders and aftermarket crap.
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volkswagenut
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On a serious note , When I got my car painted my painter used , what they call rock gaurd , In the fender wells and under the hood area. this rock gaurd can be seen on many new cars on the bottom edge of the rockers. It is pretty slick, helps protect but from 15 feet you can tell its on there. has a nice smooth but textured look. 
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volkswagenut
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Hi, kids--I'm new to this "discussion", but I'll toss my $.02 in anyway.
My '66 was delivered to an American at the factory on August 31, 1965.
for the next 4 years and 26, 540 miles it was driven in Greece, Germany, and
throughout Europe. Then it drove year-round in Colorado for another 35 years and 96,000+ miles.
Undercoating= zero
Rust= zero
The undersides of the fenders,etc.=original Ruby Red. |
How many dents in your fenders and stars in the paint???
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iowegian
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Hi, kids--I'm new to this "discussion", but I'll toss my $.02 in anyway.
My '66 was delivered to an American at the factory on August 31, 1965.
for the next 4 years and 26, 540 miles it was driven in Greece, Germany, and
throughout Europe. Then it drove year-round in Colorado for another 35 years and 96,000+ miles.
Undercoating= zero
Rust= zero
The undersides of the fenders,etc.=original Ruby Red. |
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hemifalcon
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In my way of looking at it.. your paint isn't gonna stay pretty under there anyway. And, undercoating on the 'tubs' as you refer to them will inevitably help to reduce the likelihood of paint chips which will then turn to rust. How about that clear rock guard spray that is on all the newer cars lower portions? That way, you get rock protection, and also keep the body color intact? I don't know where you can buy that stuff at, but that' would be ideal if your paint and body panels are perfect on the underside. I'd much rather replace fenders, than the fender wells in the case of rust.
http://www.ketone.com/proddetail.php?prod=SEM39804&PHPSESSID=e5d8a6435050eb0ebcb09613fc0afa65
This looks like an interesting product for you.
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Derek Cobb
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Y'know, that whole 'under the fender' undercoating with painted wheelwells does make some sense. I can see some value to that. I just hate removing undercoating to do rust repair, so I have a personal bias against it.
Perhaps if I stopped buying rusty cars to fix I could appreciate the value of proper undercoating a little more. I've just had a few too many that were 'improperly' undercoated.
Rust is very pervasive here in New England, undercoated or not. |
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DB
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Thanks everyone for the feedback and opinions! I am going to try to see how easy it is to remove the undercoating on the quarter panels - I will test in a small area first. After the test, I will report back on the oven cleaner approach and how that worked out. I am really starting to think that the hybrid approach of body color on the tub and leave the undercoating on the fenders makes sense for a driver in the North East - plus my driveway is very long and has a gravel surface.
(Unrelated hi-jack of my own thread) Are there any sources for Sea Blue fender beading?
Kind Regards,
DB |
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67type0ne
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Sounds like you have thought things through. Even though we dont have salty roads in Florida, I still spray off the undersides of my vehicles to reduce the amount of dirt buildup. May be a good habit to get into when washing yours to rinse off any salt that may get flung up on a dry summer day. After I finish washing the whole car and drying it, I run it around the block to get out any water that may be hinding. Then, back it goes into the hyperbaric chamber until the next run to the corner convenience stand
Cheers!
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having lived in Flordia my self the salt in the air will eat your car up . how will undercoating decrease the value??? if you know what your looking for undercoatinfg is'nt going to hide much...like stated a "show car" you may not want to but with a driver i wouldn't have it any other way . If you like under coating....which I do and IMHO think it ADDS value then shoot for it . In 1997 we still shot undercoating on new cars in inland South Carolina . |
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67 Florida Deluxe
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I'm building a show car and i bought new fenders for mine and after they came back from the paint shop i undercoated them just to protect them from rocks dinging them up.It can and will happen eventually.If your a buyer, and know what to look for then undercoating isn't going to make a difference.  |
If you bought new fenders, I would agree. They are thinner gauge than original German fenders, so I could see the potential for denting from rocks if you are driving on the highway. In this case, undercoating would protect from that.
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