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oprn Samba Member

Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 14713 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 4:57 am Post subject: Re: Custom Heat Riser Location? |
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Good thread!
I have no idea why it didn't show up when I did a search prior to starting my thread on this subject. There is one thing missing here though and that is the follow up data. All these ideas are great but without follow up temperature readings on the intake manifold it is all just theory.
Can we get some real data from you fellows please? At this point it all ends in the "It's working great" black hole of knowledge. Ya it works great but... what is great? Give us the temps PLEASE??!!! _________________ Our cars get old, we get old but driving an old VW never gets old! |
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modok Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 27656 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sat May 28, 2022 1:59 pm Post subject: Re: Custom Heat Riser Location? |
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Maybe yes, It's plausible that it could. |
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APPLEGREENVW Samba Member

Joined: November 30, 2003 Posts: 2546 Location: Seekonk,Massachusetts USA
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busdaddy Samba Member

Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 52731 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: Custom Heat Riser Location? |
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Bigger is always better, but when done right it moves so much exhaust gas size doesn't make a big difference, it still gets super hot where it matters. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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walter kandetzki Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2003 Posts: 942 Location: Dillwyn, VA
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Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:51 pm Post subject: Re: Custom Heat Riser Location? |
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Old thread but do I need to use 5/8 or 1/2 tubing?about to do this to my old bug pack header that’s going on my superbug with stock 34pict carb.thanks |
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modok Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 27656 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 8:07 pm Post subject: Re: Custom Heat Riser Location? |
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me too. I think it worked, exhaust definitely came out.... but it flows both ways, so pulls in cold air. |
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Krochus Samba Member
Joined: January 01, 2017 Posts: 892 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:57 pm Post subject: Re: Custom Heat Riser Location? |
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At one time I tried pulling exhaust out of the #4 and dumping it to the lowest pressure area possible the atmosphere with a lawnmower muffler
Did not work at all
Without scavenging there is no point in heat risers. The aftermarket exhaust where the riser just goes between 2 & 4 are less than useless |
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modok Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 27656 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: Custom Heat Riser Location? |
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Where you re-locate the other end of the heat riser is not a big deal.
Believe it or not, anywhere BUT the opposite exhaust pipe will work better. |
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Agent47 Samba Member

Joined: April 22, 2016 Posts: 271 Location: Scott AFB
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: Custom Heat Riser Location? |
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Maxdog2 wrote: |
I know this is an old thread, but a read a lot to learn new things. One question I have is do you drill a hole in the collector and then weld your tube or just weld the tube to the collector?
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David I am sure you have since answered this question or given up. You need to drill a hole first. The objective is to add a negative pressure side to the heat riser circuit. Up by the heads you produce positive pressure; meaning the pressure is pushing. when you travel downstream to the collector the exhaust gasses as coming together and traveling out the tail pipe, this creates a siphon to any tubes added their (negative pressure). I do apologize if this sounds condescending I just know when I read through forums I am looking for the guy to explain everything to me like i am dumb.
In summary adding the positve and negative pressure sides of the exhaust to the heat riser circuit will create an exhaust gas flow to generate heat like stock. _________________
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Agent47 Samba Member

Joined: April 22, 2016 Posts: 271 Location: Scott AFB
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Posted: Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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jkyes wrote: |
do you just weld it into place? lots of the pictures show special flanges.
this is most similar to my muffler, where should I weld it into place? Am I correct, that I should move the left side(as you look from the back) not the right?
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I am in the process of adding a heat riser to my hotdog muffler. You will not be able to route the negative pressure side out the peashooter like stock, the internal piping is too large.
I connected mine to the junction of cylinder 1&2. I am currently rebending the tubing. I took the shortest route and it block the heat exchanger inlet. Copious amounts of rum may be the culprit for that oversight. _________________
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... The VW beetle is the cockroach of the automotive world, no matter how many are killed, there always seems to be 100s more lurking in all the cracks & crevices. |
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Maxdog2 Samba Member

Joined: August 06, 2009 Posts: 208 Location: Grand Junction, Colorado
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Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2015 10:56 am Post subject: Re: Custom Heat Riser Location? |
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I know this is an old thread, but a read a lot to learn new things. One question I have is do you drill a hole in the collector and then weld your tube or just weld the tube to the collector?
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JT Bryan Samba Member
Joined: September 30, 2013 Posts: 38 Location: Strasburg, Colorado
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Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: Custom Heat Riser Location? |
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my take on fixing the problem..
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Axitech Samba Member
Joined: August 31, 2011 Posts: 1267 Location: Bucks County, Pa
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Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2014 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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I just got back from installing heat risers on the rail. I was unsure if I could weld to the pipe on the Tri-Mil so I didn't want to take a chance and screw up a perfectly good exhaust. I figured, mount it at the tailpipe and if you screw it up, you can cut it off and it won't look horrible. Besides, at that point, I get hot exhaust from all four cylinders, positive pressure flow, and I can just dump the other side out the back because it's already muffled. Pics of the work. I used cutoff pieces from an old single port manifold and a couple pieces of 5/8" .120 wall tubing.
I still want to get a gasket in the flange connection (didn't have one). And I want to wrap the supply side with insulation to keep it as hot as possible into the manifold. Preliminary results: idling in the driveway. Yesterday, icing evident on side of manifold, Today. manifold is cool to the touch, but no ice at all. I will get some road test results hopefully after dinner. The pic of the pipe next to the oil filter is the 'exhaust' side of the heat riser circuit. it looked so cute, puffing little steam as it was warming up, just like it's Daddy on the other side! Bwahahahahaaa _________________ He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36
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JabaDubRider Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2012 Posts: 341 Location: Highland Mi
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[email protected] Samba Member

Joined: August 03, 2002 Posts: 12785 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
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JabaDubRider Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2012 Posts: 341 Location: Highland Mi
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modok wrote: |
yeah, your right it is 5/8 tubes, musta been an extra big lamp i stole it from.
To make flanges, buy big washers, clamp them together, and drill two or three 1/4 holes through them near the edge. CUSTOM flanges! |
Can you elaborate on the washer trick a little more I'm trying to picture this in my head but not seeing it.
What I would really like would be to be able to buy the stock style flanges so I can custom fab my own. The exhaust I a planning is a little different and would need 4. I just like the idea of being able to buy gaskets for them from the parts store! _________________ America, everybody is in too big a rush. Lay back, take a sip of tea, mow a little grass. Then if you get tired, take a nap.
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cdollar Samba Member

Joined: March 07, 2002 Posts: 293 Location: Pagosa Springs, CO
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I just did this mod on my bugpack bus header. I don't have a decent torch setup to really bend the steel tubing with tight bends so I ended up using an old 1/2" conduit bender to make some more sweeping bends. Should work nicely!
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tdonaldson Samba Member

Joined: February 09, 2011 Posts: 580 Location: Columbus, OH
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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I had a cobbled together system that had flexible lines. Didn't work well. The metal/metal connection with conductive heat probably does as much as exhaust gas passing through.
The system I have now is hi to low welded in pipe on a dual cannon. I'm not sure if I'm getting as much heat even with that because the tube to the low pressure side can't conduct as much heat back into the intake (being welded in three feet further from the head it isn't as hot) _________________ "If you had a beer can in your hand the beer would have stopped it, alcohol is a natural force of good that keeps you from getting hurt, unless you're city people...." |
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jgrexx Samba Member

Joined: July 19, 2012 Posts: 342 Location: Alabama
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Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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i plan on doing this but i was gonna use stainless steel braided line like that is used to run oil lines instead of welding pipe. just screw in fittings to the exhaust and into cut off heat risers and then screw on braided line. that way it would be easy to just disconnect the lines in order to remove the exhaust when working on your engine. _________________ 1970 Baja Bug
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mharney Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:59 am Post subject: |
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You need to disconnect it from the primary to get a pressure difference. |
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