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NASkeet
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 Posted: Wed May 17, 2023 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: Baywindow Mud Flap Bracket Plans FAQ |
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These are the home-made front mud flaps & home-made fron mud-flap brackets on my British specification, RHD 1973 VW 1600 Type 2 Westfalia Continental motor-caravan, with retro-fitted, twin remote-acting, vacuum brake servo units.
The home-made front mud flaps, were fabricated from 350 mm wide sections of old textile-reinforced conveyor-belt material, which was extremely tough to cut to size using a hacksaw. These are significantly wider than genuine 1968~79 VW Type 2 rear mud flaps (not listed in the VOTEX accessories leaflet), but ideally, I would have made them the full width of the front wheel-arch, to protect the underside of the vehicle from flying stones, mud & slush etc.
The 1968~79 VW Type 2 accessory, textile-reinforced, black-rubber rear mud flaps with embossed white Wolfsburg emblem (VW part No. 271 821 805A) listed in the VOTEX accessories leaflet, are what I retro-fitted during the early-1980s, to my family’s 1973 VW 1600 Type 2 Westfalia Continental motor-caravan; albeit using home-made duralumin mounting brackets, there being no mounting brackets supplied with the mud flaps or listed in the leaflet, much to my surprise & annoyance.
Having never knowingly seen a 1968~79 VW Type 2 with rear mud flaps fitted, I didn't know what form the attachment brackets took or how & where they were attached to the rear wheel-arches, so I simply designed them according to what seemed the most reasonable way of fitting them.
Owing to the design of my home-made mounting brackets, I needed to reduce the length of the mud flaps at the top-end, because otherwise they dragged on the ground when the vehicle was laden with four people and camping gear.
Red squirrel inspecting our 1973 VW Type 2’s rear Michelin XZX tyres & mud flaps in Sweden, during the summer of 1982
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=359606
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/359606.jpg
These mud flaps (VW part No. 271 821 805A) are of identical appearance to some second-hand, new-old-stock, 1968 onward, VW Type 1 Beetle mud flaps [made in Denmark for Volkswagen (UK) Ltd | VW Part No. 113 999 325 | 286 mm long x 233 mm wide x 6½ mm thick | circa 0•67 kg each ] that I bought at a car-boot sale (akin to a car-trunk sale or garage sale in USA parlance!?!) during the early-1990s and sold a few years ago in July 2016 as surplus to my requirements, to a 1968~79 VW Type 2 owner in Australia.
NOS 1968~ VW Type 1 Beetle mud-flaps with Wolfsburg emblem (VW Part No. 113 999 325)
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=1526117
Although the VOTEX accessories were sold under the Volkswagen (GB) Ltd banner, the products they sold were not necessarily OEM suppliers to the Volkswagen factory in Germany.
1970s VOTEX genuine VW accessories from Volkswagen (GB) Ltd
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/70s_votex_accessories.php
I am pleased to report that the unpainted duralumin brackets have proved to be extremely durable and having been made from off-cuts out of the scrap bin, extremely cheap to make! To make the front & rear mud-flap mounting brackets less conspicuous, I shall probably paint them eventually with either Finnigan’s black Hammerite (hammered / dimpled finish paint) or black rubberoid anti-chip coating.
https://www.hammerite.co.uk
https://www.hammerite.co.uk/product/direct-to-rust-metal-paint-hammered-finish/
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MonkeySee
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| Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: Baywindow Mud Flap Bracket Plans FAQ |
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Here's the 68-71 Bay mud flaps I just picked up. Funny thing is I didn't even know what they were for when I got them. I was just going to adapt them to what I have. Little did I know they were the exact factory piece for my both of my Bays.
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MonkeySee
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| Posted: Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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Does anyone have the plans, dimensions or actual brackets available for the 1968 - 1971 design? Here are a couple photos posted by Busdaddy:
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Thought this question might still need to be answered. I have a '70 myself. |
I just bought a set of these brackets from the Northwest Vintage meet. If anyone still needs anything from these hit me up. |
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lhu128l
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| Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 1:23 am Post subject: Re: Baywindow Mud Flap Bracket Plans FAQ |
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Hi .
I can supply stainless steel front and rear mud flap brackets as per original including all hardware ......I'm in the UK but will post out |
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H8 Ashbury
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| Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:11 am Post subject: Re: Baywindow Mud Flap Bracket Plans FAQ |
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| cheesecrackers75 wrote: |
| Has anyone decided to fab a few of these mudflap brackets per the original design and has them for sale? |
^^^What cheese said. |
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Keith
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:56 am Post subject: Re: Baywindow Mud Flap Bracket Plans FAQ |
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| I'm not familiar with them but I believe from your photos that those are passenger car tires. |
Yea they are but the max load is ALMOST good enough for a bus. Just another thing on the to-do list... |
It's not the max load, it's the sidewalls and how thick they are. Passenger car tires have a thinner sidewall, truck tires have a thicker sidewall.
I remember when I was working at the dealership and ordered tires for my '78 Westy, I told them every single thing I needed in a tire including for them to be truck tires and they accidentally sent me passenger car tires. I was in a hurry to get things done that day and I didn't realize it until after I put them on and was on a long drive to a car show after work that day. Holy crap that bus was scary to drive! You could feel the sidewalls flexing and the bus swaying. It was a white-knuckle ride there and back! Once I got back, I called the tire supplier and they sent me the correct tires. What a HUGE difference!!!
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Squeeze Cheese
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 9:30 am Post subject: Re: Baywindow Mud Flap Bracket Plans FAQ |
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| BUSBOSS wrote: |
| I'm not familiar with them but I believe from your photos that those are passenger car tires. |
Yea they are but the max load is ALMOST good enough for a bus. Just another thing on the to-do list...
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BUSBOSS
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:20 pm Post subject: Re: Baywindow Mud Flap Bracket Plans FAQ |
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Cooper Trendsetter SE P205/75/R14, max load 1532. PO's choice.
What are the opinions on these? I've been looking at the replacement possibilities. I do like the whitewall/stripe... |
I'm not familiar with them but I believe from your photos that those are passenger car tires.
If so I would not use them and I would replace them ASAP.
Here is a brief intro to the special needs of our buses re: the shoes they wear.
http://www.busdepot.com/details/tires/
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Squeeze Cheese
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: Baywindow Mud Flap Bracket Plans FAQ |
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Cooper Trendsetter SE P205/75/R14, max load 1532. PO's choice.
What are the opinions on these? I've been looking at the replacement possibilities. I do like the whitewall/stripe...
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BUSBOSS
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:14 pm Post subject: Re: Baywindow Mud Flap Bracket Plans FAQ |
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Cheesecrackers:
What kind of tires are you running?
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Squeeze Cheese
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:15 am Post subject: Re: Baywindow Mud Flap Bracket Plans FAQ |
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Finally got around to this install, pretty happy with the result. I used g16stu's plans for the bracket fab which would have went smoother if I had the proper tooling, but VW designed them very well because they're adjustable but once clamped down, hold the flaps tightly in place from multiple attachment points. Since I had the rear wheels off to drill the wheel well holes, I made the time to POR15 the entire area, which really gave some insight into just how much water and road crud is flung up from the tires, and how it saturates those areas all the way to the bumper that are already vulnerable to corrosion every time you drive in the rain.
Went for a drive aiming for puddles and the water just sprays on the front of the mudflap and falls off, and all those undercarriage nooks and crannies behind the wheels are dry. These should have be standard factory equipment!
Anyway, cool looking and super functional, too. Thanks to the contributors for showing us how.
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Squeeze Cheese
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:07 am Post subject: Re: Baywindow Mud Flap Bracket Plans FAQ |
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Thanks for that. I'd still love to find someone willing to fab a few sets, or that has some extras, for sale.
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Squeeze Cheese
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 6:42 am Post subject: Re: Baywindow Mud Flap Bracket Plans FAQ |
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Has anyone decided to fab a few of these mudflap brackets per the original design and has them for sale?
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Excellent write up.
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Or lower it and bolt em directly. ..
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...i need rear mudflaps soon....
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Does anyone have the plans, dimensions or actual brackets available for the 1968 - 1971 design? Here are a couple photos posted by Busdaddy:
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busdaddy
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What a great thread, as has been said, thanks for sharing! Q - do these plans fit an early Bay? mine is several miles away in the body shop right now so I can't get underneath to compare.
Can anyone confirm or deny the early bay firmer of these? 
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If by firmer you really mean fitment I don't see why it wouldn't, the rear wheelwell closeout is the same (that's where the late ones attach), the only difference is where for the brace bar attaches to the moustache bar mount, nothing a little bracket tweaking couldn't fix.
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