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allsidius Samba Member

Joined: February 02, 2010 Posts: 1481 Location: Norway
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: Diesel Split |
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| Sorry, I don't see the point at all. The charm of the beetle would be totally spoilt with an oil burner. |
maybe you can't see the point for the exhaust, however, i would suggest that a 60+ year old diesel split is just about as interesting as it gets... then again, i used to be a trucker, and diesel is where it is at... |
I maybe wasn't clear, the prototype made by Porsche of course is very interesting, I meant that a replica was just a waste of a good split. Diesel is fine in a Peterbilt. _________________ 1973 1303S w sunroof Click to view image
1978 1303 convertible (sold)Click to view image
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mandraks Samba Member

Joined: November 28, 2004 Posts: 7124 Location: Lawrenceville, Ga
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: Diesel Split |
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| allsidius wrote: |
| Sorry, I don't see the point at all. The charm of the beetle would be totally spoilt with an oil burner. |
maybe you can't see the point for the exhaust, however, i would suggest that a 60+ year old diesel split is just about as interesting as it gets... then again, i used to be a trucker, and diesel is where it is at... _________________ regards
Uli
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GTV Samba Member
Joined: March 27, 2004 Posts: 2084 Location: Si'ahl
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 10:48 am Post subject: Re: Diesel Split |
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I think it's brilliant. Just needs a turbo to make some speed and a little insulation to quiet that racket down. And the correct tail lights. Sheesh! _________________ EMPI Power Rules! |
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allsidius Samba Member

Joined: February 02, 2010 Posts: 1481 Location: Norway
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Sunroof53 Samba Member

Joined: October 22, 2007 Posts: 301 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed Dec 30, 2015 10:31 am Post subject: |
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posted pictures from auto bild article
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Looks like the diesel emission problem goes back a long way ... |
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Jacks Samba Member
Joined: July 15, 2006 Posts: 2472 Location: San Clemente, Ca.
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting. At 375lbs (dry?) that's about twice the weight of a stock engine  _________________ Jack Staggs
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ChrisRheinschild Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2007 Posts: 81 Location: Clemmons, NC
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:50 pm Post subject: Kohler diesel |
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| I have found the information on the Kohler KD625-3. Twin cylinder, 1870cc, 374 pounds, 36.9 hp, and 84.8 pounds torque. Air cooled. I did find more technical on the Kohler site. It looks like there are a lot of adapters. I did not look for any price information. This may be a alternative. |
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tstracy39 Samba Member

Joined: May 14, 2008 Posts: 3295 Location: Seattle, WA
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Komissar Samba Member

Joined: May 18, 2008 Posts: 894 Location: Bucharest, Romania
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:57 am Post subject: |
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There was on the samba a long time ago a beetle with a Lombardini 20-something HP . Aircooled. And it looked like a clean install.
I cannot find the thread on thesamba but here is it on another forum:
http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/thread-7.html
it gets great gas mileage. _________________ 1965 Sunroof Beetle
1972 Type 3 Squareback
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ChrisRheinschild Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2007 Posts: 81 Location: Clemmons, NC
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Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:34 am Post subject: diesel VW |
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| There was mention in Hot VWs letter section some months ago of a currently manufactured and available Kohler small 35? hp diesel. I looked on the Kohler site. There were several application adapters and the weight seemed within reason. This may be a feasible installation. |
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tisius Samba Member

Joined: July 11, 2011 Posts: 1570 Location: Rotterdam,NL (+Chicago,IL)
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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a diesel beetle..... weird!
the 25hp beetle in stock zwitter configuration was already not a speed record breaker ... imagine a diesel from back then (did they make flintstone holes in the floor to help the acceleration/topspeed? ).
Plus a diesel engine is more expensive to produce (must resist much higher temperatures), so I see why the plan didn't make it past the prototype stage. Very interesting though, that VW tried anyway.
And obviously they didn't have a regulatory smog emission test back then, cause that tailpipe looks like a smokescreen feature from a James Bond car to me!
Haha i want one to smoke out the neighbors  _________________ drive it like you just robbed the bank
you don't have to be crazy to be into VW's, but it sure helps!!
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mandraks Samba Member

Joined: November 28, 2004 Posts: 7124 Location: Lawrenceville, Ga
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 8:15 am Post subject: |
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| Excuse my ignorance, but what is that perforated metal can on the radio blockoff plate, with the glowing element inside? I've seen that before on old truck dashboards too.....is it an extra element that shows how the glowplugs are heating up, before start-up? |
yep, old benz diesels had a little element like that, and a starter button to pull (not push) _________________ regards
Uli
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Zwitterkafer Samba Member

Joined: November 17, 2007 Posts: 1018 Location: Lanark County, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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Excuse my ignorance, but what is that perforated metal can on the radio blockoff plate, with the glowing element inside? I've seen that before on old truck dashboards too.....is it an extra element that shows how the glowplugs are heating up, before start-up? _________________ "Criticism comes easier than Craftsmanship"
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Jacks Samba Member
Joined: July 15, 2006 Posts: 2472 Location: San Clemente, Ca.
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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I think that keeping the heads sealed to the cyls would be the major hurtle. Perhaps a giant "C" clamp, with a tightening schedule could help.  _________________ Jack Staggs
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mandraks Samba Member

Joined: November 28, 2004 Posts: 7124 Location: Lawrenceville, Ga
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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I imagine weight would have been the primary objection. A diesel engine is a heavy lump.
A lot of engineering and use of light-weight material was required to get the rear-to-front weight break below the 60/40 ratio deemed necessary for a (relatively) safe handling rear-engined car. Once that 60 percent rear weight bias was surpassed the cars would become dangerously tail happy. (Chevrolet learned that lesson the hard way.) |
the article indicated brutal noise as the main concern, and a 60 second 0-62 mp/h acceleration.
The engine is essentially a 1300cc, 3piece case, porsche engine. Weight should be fairly similar. The fuel pump however might be quite heavy. _________________ regards
Uli
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado

Joined: June 16, 2006 Posts: 28322 Location: Free State of Florida
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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I imagine weight would have been the primary objection. A diesel engine is a heavy lump.
A lot of engineering and use of light-weight material was required to get the rear-to-front weight break below the 60/40 ratio deemed necessary for a (relatively) safe handling rear-engined car. Once that 60 percent rear weight bias was surpassed the cars would become dangerously tail happy. (Chevrolet learned that lesson the hard way.) _________________ We are striving for perfection, to make our cars run forever, if possible.
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mandraks Samba Member

Joined: November 28, 2004 Posts: 7124 Location: Lawrenceville, Ga
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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posted pictures from auto bild article
i like it  _________________ regards
Uli
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mb Samba Member

Joined: June 24, 2003 Posts: 237 Location: Nuremberg - hometown of the 1931/-32 Volkswagen Porsche Type 12
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Hebster52 Samba Member

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Sunroof53 Samba Member

Joined: October 22, 2007 Posts: 301 Location: UK
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The article is from a 1991 VW motoring.Hope you can read the scan and that your eyes dont hurt too much  |
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