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TomSimon
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Thanks, Tom. Hope to meet you soon! You going to Vegas? |
I was... but the car I was going to crew on, Blake Bryan's Orange Crush Cal-Look challenge car, unfortunately cal-look challenge was canceled for the Vegas event. |
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Eaallred
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Location: West Valley City, Utah
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| Tom Simon wrote: |
You are welcome in my pit at any track, anytime! I am sure that goes for 99.9% of the racers who have ever met you. Better yet, build a car for next year... maybe a Ghia? haha |
If I can achieve my goal of making my drag car street legal, i'll see about throwing in a donor trans in it and going for the 130 club!
Thanks, Tom. Hope to meet you soon! You going to Vegas?
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TomSimon
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My name was "Eric Allred"... Next year if I go out there, i'm spectating ONLY, you guys can all tune your own cars. Good luck out there! |
Hey Eric, don't let one self absorbed arrogant <delated>'s comments spoil the whole racer pool (I also read the blog on the other site... and will reserve further comment)
You are welcome in my pit at any track, anytime! I am sure that goes for 99.9% of the racers who have ever met you. Better yet, build a car for next year... maybe a Ghia? haha |
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Eaallred
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What seems to be happening is the needle and seat in the Weber DCNF turns into a main jet and it literally runs out of fuel in
the bowl. And then goes full lean & burns the pistons in about 3 seconds. |
Go to an electric fuel pump with more pressure, and run a boost referencing regulator to increase fuel pressure when boost is present. You'll overcome that pesky needle and seat that way.
Hope to see you next year, I didn't make it out until Saturday so I missed you entirely (bummer!).
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bvilletom
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Not enough testing!
We didn’t have the best Bonneville racing this year, but we sure met a lot
of really nice people. I put faces on a lot of the people from the internet
forums that I really wanted to meet. Great fun!
There were some very good VW race efforts but the one that should be
commended was the Blackline crew to make such a excellent
performance after such adversity. Well done!
Our little 36hp turbo motor is getting much more difficult to tune on the
road (my uphill road dyno is not long enough). You have to be at full
throttle for at least ¾ mile before the problems start to show up then it’s
quickly too late. What seems to be happening is the needle and seat in
the Weber DCNF turns into a main jet and it literally runs out of fuel in
the bowl. And then goes full lean & burns the pistons in about 3 seconds.
It has great potential, turned the ¼ mile at 88.3mph. the ½ mile at
102.6mph, and pulled up to 5300rpm in 4th gear (111mph) early in the
second ½ mile with 3.88 gears & 26” tall tires at 16psi boost and then
runs out of gas. Well with more testing and better parts we’ll get the right
combination found.
The jetting seems to be ok as long as we have enough fuel. We already
have a large fuel line from the tank to the pump, now it’s time for an
electric fuel pump, pressure regulator, large carb, big n&s, and a large
bowl, etc (maybe Holley 4 barrel?). Rules-wise we can make more or
larger holes in the deck lid but not use stand-offs or scoops. This time it
made a huge backfire in the intake and blew the bellows apart between
the manifold center section and the end castings making a huge air leak
and would not start. Kind-of a blow off valve of sorts that saved the
turbo compressor.
Bvilletom
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rtroy
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, but before I could do that a guy named Craig (I'm pretty sure his name was Craig, one of two Craigs there helping, by the way) came by and began quizzing me, suddenly announcing,
"The computer says you need 127.5 to 130 mains - you got any 130 main jets?! Let's put those in!"
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...However, while a reasonable and certainly helpful change, that wasn't the change that "did it."
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My name was "Eric Allred", and I was the one telling you what jetting to change to. I was also there telling you to change the damed timing from 22 degrees total advance to 32 total advance.
I'd like to hear what "the" change that "did it" was. Those two things changed, along with stuffing paper towels around the leaking banjo fitting that you went from 74mph to 101mph. I also told you to shift when it first started to pop rather than try to wing it up through the rpms which made a big difference as well.
Next year if I go out there, i'm spectating ONLY, you guys can all tune your own cars. Good luck out there! |
Hi Eric! I'm so sorry to have flubbed your name, especially since I truly am grateful for your help.
I believe the thing that "did it" was the elimination of the oil mist. There wasn't a single good gear on any run until after the oil leak was surrounded with rags. Yes, you apparently already made note of this, too. Sorry if my saying I didn't think the jetting was "the" thing pissed you off (as it apparently did) - I was hoping people might read the whole story instead of getting excerpts, but I guess we're a sound-bite nation these days.
As for shifting with popping - I was so damned tired I don't recall that. _I_ was running on fumes (nomatter how coherent I may have seemed) - serious lack of sleep. However, I do remember learning just how flat the torque curve is on that engine! Three runs with VERY different shifting patterns and all within one second?!
Thanks again,
Richard
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Eaallred
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, but before I could do that a guy named Craig (I'm pretty sure his name was Craig, one of two Craigs there helping, by the way) came by and began quizzing me, suddenly announcing,
"The computer says you need 127.5 to 130 mains - you got any 130 main jets?! Let's put those in!"
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...However, while a reasonable and certainly helpful change, that wasn't the change that "did it."
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My name was "Eric Allred", and I was the one telling you what jetting to change to. I was also there telling you to change the damed timing from 22 degrees total advance to 32 total advance.
I'd like to hear what "the" change that "did it" was. Those two things changed, along with stuffing paper towels around the leaking banjo fitting that you went from 74mph to 101mph. I also told you to shift when it first started to pop rather than try to wing it up through the rpms which made a big difference as well.
Next year if I go out there, i'm spectating ONLY, you guys can all tune your own cars. Good luck out there!
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rtroy
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| Kudos to Justin helping RT out to achieve his speed. |
Hey, and maybe also to the guy that told RT what jetting and timing to change to in order to make that 101mph pass..........
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...I had pulled out my 5 gas exhaust analyzer and I just couldn't read it, it was so friggen bright! I was thinking I needed a hood, like an old-time photographer, but before I could do that a guy named Craig (I'm pretty sure his name was Craig, one of two Craigs there helping, by the way) came by and began quizzing me, suddenly announcing,
"The computer says you need 127.5 to 130 mains - you got any 130 main jets?! Let's put those in!"
I was so tired, I was grateful for a reasonable suggestion.
So, we did. That's when Justin wandered by and I asked him to help install those jets...
...However, while a reasonable and certainly helpful change, that wasn't the change that "did it."
For more of the story, why I was so tired, why I was late, and all the rest, please see the web site I put up to document and tell our story:
http://ghiacoachworks.com/share/denzel_lsr.html
and, in particular, check out the blog page covering my one race day, here:
http://ghiacoachworks.com/share/lsr_september_20_2009.html
Please send me any comments, updates, additional rememberances, corrections, or whatever else via email. There are email links on the site and you can also use richard at karmannghia dot org (NOT dot com!).
...By the way, I made three passes within one mile an hour of each other, the fastest was 101.94, but unfortunately, the timing slip is lost. Very odd. Anyway, I did 6 runs, five that counted, and have only five timing slips, including the one where they gave me a false start and I got a do-over - so where's the fifth run that counted? Mystery. Oh well. Not worried - they were all so close.
Regards,
Richard
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rtroy
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I can't wait to see and watch the Beaver Geezers Bug! I'm off tomorrow early to help Richard [paint his 59 Ghia. I've seen his engine and it's amazing, and the exhaust... well I hope it sounds as good as it looks!
The 74 Bug was a last minute substitute for the 64 Ghia that I didn't have the funds to finish. It will be a fun and learning experience!
Thanks Burly! |
...I'm just replying to publicly thank you in this forum for your assistance! It was fun, I learned a lot, and I wouldn't trade the experience for the world - especially all the kind help I received...
Here's Britt helping out:
Thanks again,
Richard
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rtroy
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Had a great time out on the salt these last couple of days. Thanks to all Burly and all 36hp guys for inviting us to spend some time with you guys.
Congrats to the Blackline/Birks crew you guys put an awsome car together. Art and Family thanks for bringing me some parts.
Congrats and thanks to Tom/Gaylen and the crew for letting me hang out and ask so many questions. 106 mph, you upped the bar again.
The Beaver Geezers put on a show, putting all different members in the car and going back and forth beating the record.
Brit made some good runs and was close also.
Thanks to everybody out there, Maybe I'll be out in a car next year. I'm coming for you Tom. I'm going to talk to Oz tomorrow. |
...I'm really disappointed I missed the first two days this year. In particular, I really wanted to see Britt run because he had given me so much help and I wanted to be there for moral support, etc - not to mention the pure fun part!
Hopefully I won't let paint get in my way again!
Richard
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Roadcow
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I wasn't there and didn't know who that person was but yes thanks to the Jet man!
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Eaallred
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| Kudos to Justin helping RT out to achieve his speed. |
Hey, and maybe also to the guy that told RT what jetting and timing to change to in order to make that 101mph pass..........
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Roadcow
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Kudos to Justin helping RT out to achieve his speed.
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36hplandspeedracer
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| Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:53 am Post subject: 36hp Challenge WOS 09 Final Results |
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The USFRA's 2009 World of Speed event on the Bonneville Salt Flats came to a conclusion Saturday afternoon after torrential rains early in the week, possible cancellation of all the racing activities and finally blue skies and sun, warm weather and great racing. A record number of thirteen Volkswagen powered cars, both air and water cooled, both gas and diesel, ran for top speed. There were streamliners, pick-ups, bugs, bajas, Formula Super Vees, a turbo powered big VW motored splittie bus(94.891 mph) and even a VW Lupo powered Honda Insight hybrid. All in all, it was a record event for Volkswagen land speed racing. This event also welcomed the largest contingent of VW spectators supporting the racers with folks from Michigan, Oregon, Arizona, Nevada, Texas and elsewhere coming out to experience to aura of Bonneville and be witness to the Challenge.
The 36hp Challenge saw three new records set in the five available bug classes and a baseline Ghia record established with a Ghia equipped with a rare Denzel modified 36hp motor. Two new 36hp Challenge "1" Club members were initiated into the elite club which also consists of Dick Beith and Tom Bruch (yes, just four total !). The Blackline 57 project which so many folks have been following on the Samba and Ultimate Air Cooled Vintage Speed forums returned from being dead just three weeks ago thanx to Chip Birks who donated his street car for the effort to establish a new DSS (Vintage two barrel carb) category record of 103.056 mph and qualify for the "1" Club. Team Irelands Britt Grannis, along with the Beaver Geezers crew of three different drivers vied for the SS (Stone Stock) record with the Beav's Al Leggett eventually driving to a new 36hp record of 73.492 mph.
Tom Bruch and Gaylen Anderson brought their record holding bug back to the salt with more gear in the trans and a Weber 40 DCNF carb on top of the turbo and boosted the all time 36hp bug and NA36 (New Age 36) record to a new high of 106.514 miles per hour. The carb provided the power but ran out of fuel at sustained high RPM's and damaged the engine, preventing further speed run attempts.
Richard Troy worked on his 58 low-light Denzel Ghia back home in Northern California through half of the meet overcoming the normal pre-race obstacles that seem to pop up when time is of the essence, threw on the tow bar, drove through the night and arrived on the salt for the very last days racing. With no sleep and just a half a day to race, he tuned and with the Blackline/Birks crew helping taking care of small details, was able to not only get all his passes in, but gain membership in the "1" Club with two passes above 101 miles per hour topping out at 101.163 miles per hour.
Experiencing tradgedy and frustration, all the 36hp Challengers muscled through to set four new 36hp records and make the 2009 World of Speed the most successful 36hp Challenge event to date. Bruce Cook from North Carolina, holder of two of the records that were exceeded called to offer congradulations. At next months ECTA Maxton, N.C., meet, Bruce's Canadian 51 split will attempt to reclaim the DSS record from the Mcallister brothers with a Whitey Worsham tuned 36 engine and if that does not do the trick, he recently acquired an Okrasa set-up that will also enjoy Whiteys magic touch.
2010 is just around the corner and the 36hp Challenge just becomes more challenging. Hope you find the opportunity to view these little mighty mouse motors racing down the blackline or even participate with your bug, bus or Ghia. For more info and 36hp Challenge links, visit www.saltflats.com or go to www.burlyb.com .
See you on the salt........................
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Das Dragon
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It was a great few days on the salt, first time for us too. To meet all the folks at the '36hp' dinner on Thursday evening was an added bonus.
I'd like to thank everyone for making us feel so welcome, also. I won't try to mention names as i know I'll leave someone out.
I have a ton of pics to upload which i will do ASAP.
More to come.
Lou & Lis (I see me in the vw line up pic above, I'm 2nd from the left, it was great having the best parking spot on Thursday)
PS. Tom and hopefully Burly, we'll be waiting for your call in Jan.
Art, the carbs will be on the way soon!
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WickedWagens
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The VW's put on a show!
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WickedWagens
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Had a great time out on the salt these last couple of days. Thanks to all Burly and all 36hp guys for inviting us to spend some time with you guys.
Congrats to the Blackline/Birks crew you guys put an awsome car together. Art and Family thanks for bringing me some parts.
Congrats and thanks to Tom/Gaylen and the crew for letting me hang out and ask so many questions. 106 mph, you upped the bar again.
The Beaver Geezers put on a show, putting all different members in the car and going back and forth beating the record.
Brit made some good runs and was close also.
Thanks to everybody out there, Maybe I'll be out in a car next year. I'm coming for you Tom. I'm going to talk to Oz tomorrow.
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G/CFALT 106.643 MPH
G/CGALT 113.131 MPH
G/CBGALT 134.606 MPH
G/CBFALT 146.715 MPH
G/CBGC 158.242 MPH
H/CPRO 93.383 MPH
H/CBGC 94.33 MPH
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Unkl Ian
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I just about broke it on a jetting run, it ran out of fuel at full boost
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Wrong Jets ? or fuel pressure ? |
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bvilletom
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Here are the pictures on the Weber DCNF w/turbo on 36hp Challenge Motor.
I just about broke it on a jetting run, it ran out of fuel at full boost
(see tattletale gauge) at 18psi in 3rd gear.
It still lives, I think, so we are done testing now – before we burn it down.
BvilleTom
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36hplandspeedracer
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Splitpile
Unkl Ian is correct. The DCNF's we discussed would have put you "up" to the NA36 or new age category. Period correct carbs or replicas therof like the about to be released Wolfsburg West Okrasa replica dual carb setups(and do not forget their replica Okrasa dualport heads!) are acceptable in the DSS class.
Hopefully these new WW replica set-ups will allow many folks watching Vintage Speed to actually "experience" vintage speed and maybe even start a project amied at the 36hp Challenge.
Have not heard from you in awhile. Are you still coming up to the salt next week?
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