What type of headliner do you have? |
Original style |
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Easy install style |
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havent had to do it yet |
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sb001 Samba Member

Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 10458 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 9:36 pm Post subject: Re: Headliners, Easy Install v. Original Style |
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That is of immense help, thanks! Yes the original style looks much better and more correct.
The only thing that confuses me is that when I pulled out the original headliner from my 69, I discovered that the "main" roof piece and the trim piece around the rear window were in fact sewn together via a cardboard trim piece that was tucked away in the crevasse above the rear window. Everybody I have asked about that says that means it wasn't the original headliner but I absolutely guarantee it was. _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
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67conv Samba Member

Joined: July 10, 2005 Posts: 453 Location: Simi Valley, California
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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2022 9:08 pm Post subject: Re: Headliners, Easy Install v. Original Style |
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sb001 wrote: |
Can someone please explain IN DETAIL the difference between the original (multi-piece) style headliner vs the easy install (one-piece) headliner? In particular, which sections are extra pieces in the original style vs sewn in to the one-piece?
I cannot find ANY good illustrations showing the differences, and when I look them up on Sewfine's catalog they show the EXACT same illustration for both, then it says the one-piece still comes with 5 additional "trim" pieces which to me would be indicative of a multi-piece.
I am looking for a new headliner for my 69, I realize this is the wrong forum but since the subject was brought up here I thought I would ask.
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In essence, both styles of headliners you ask about are in fact "multi piece" headliners. The BIG difference between the 2 types is the area around the rear window. On the "original" style, there is a separate (and somewhat painstaking) section which needs to be installed apart from the main section, around the rear window. The "easy install" style eliminates the separate rear window section altogether, which indeed makes installation easier but at the expense of looking "not quite right" IMHO. But, then again - I'm a "gotta be original" fanatic! You may think otherwise...
BOTH types of headliners get additional strips of material included for the 2 "B" pillars, plus under each quarter side window, and upper firewall area (under rear window). There is no such thing as a literal "one piece" headliner kit, although some vendors refer to the "easy install" as a one piece due to the absence of the rear window section.
Below are two photos showing a view of each type. First one is the "easy install" variety. Consider the rear window...
The next picture is of a '68 headliner with the original style window version. Your '69 should be the same, however there might be a slight detail difference for the rear window defogger with the '69 - up.
Hope this might help.. _________________ 1967 VW Convertible, owned 35 years.
1957 DKW 3=6, owned 21 years.
PREVIOUS: 1972 "Baja Champion SE" Spec. Edition Beetle bought NEW @ Pierce VW in Denver; 1979 Super Beetle Convertible bought NEW @ Downtown LA VW; 1967 type 1 savanna beige; 1967 Porsche 2.0 911S; 1973 Porsche 2.4 911T; 1963 356 T6 B Cabriolet; 1964 356 SC sunroof coupe; 1972 Type-3 Squareback; 1968 + 1969 Type-3 Fastbacks; 1987 Vanagon GL Weekender |
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sb001 Samba Member

Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 10458 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2022 11:57 am Post subject: Re: Headliners, Easy Install v. Original Style |
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Can someone please explain IN DETAIL the difference between the original (multi-piece) style headliner vs the easy install (one-piece) headliner? In particular, which sections are extra pieces in the original style vs sewn in to the one-piece?
I cannot find ANY good illustrations showing the differences, and when I look them up on Sewfine's catalog they show the EXACT same illustration for both, then it says the one-piece still comes with 5 additional "trim" pieces which to me would be indicative of a multi-piece.
I am looking for a new headliner for my 69, I realize this is the wrong forum but since the subject was brought up here I thought I would ask.
Thanks in advance _________________ I'm the humblest guy on this board.
1969 autostick sedan, family owned since new
1600 SP engine
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Bosch 113905205AE autostick distributor |
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usmc1345 Samba Member

Joined: April 24, 2005 Posts: 307 Location: Belgrade Mt
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:54 pm Post subject: Re: Headliners, Easy Install v. Original Style |
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When it came time for the headliner to be done in my 63 ragtop, I got a few quotes. I thought on it, wrote some numbers on a scrap paper, did some math and came to a decision. I decided to do it myself. I could do it myself numerous times ( I forget how many it’s been 10 plus years ) for the price of someone else doing it once, I figure by the 3rd or 4th headliner I install myself I should have it down and still be under the estimates I got. I mean try it and see how it goes. You might surprise yourself, after I repaint my bug I’m going to be installing headliner number 3. Still under budget. Lol _________________ Semper Fidelis |
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carnut63 Samba Member

Joined: May 14, 2009 Posts: 337 Location: Murrieta, CA & Everett, WA
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Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2022 5:19 pm Post subject: Re: Headliners, Easy Install v. Original Style |
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I tried to do my oval headliner myself and after many hours of sweating, swearing, and tearing the fabrics I decided to take it to someone who did it for $1000. Worth the money.
Mind you this is socal costs.
The line under the window must be a reflection from sun. It’s not really there.
_________________ Tyson
---> Mar 2 1955 Strato Silver Oval <---
---> July 1957 ragtop project <---
---> May 5 1966 Ghia <---
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toxicavenger70 Samba Member

Joined: July 28, 2019 Posts: 882 Location: CO
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Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2022 2:06 pm Post subject: Re: Headliners, Easy Install v. Original Style |
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7of5 wrote: |
That really was a nice job, especially for your first time. Perhaps you should change vocations, Good beetle upholsterer’s are rare now |
Considering this was almost 13 years ago they probably did.  |
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7of5 Samba Member

Joined: December 11, 2021 Posts: 13 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:02 am Post subject: Re: Headliners, Easy Install v. Original Style |
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That really was a nice job, especially for your first time. Perhaps you should change vocations, Good beetle upholsterer’s are rare now _________________ 1960 Coronado Cal-Cruiser Ragtop “Betty” |
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STOICH Samba Member
Joined: November 26, 2004 Posts: 1101 Location: Fallbrook
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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if you really think about it.. a headliner is 40 bucks from jbugs... My buddies spent more money in beer last time we put in a headliner.. give it a whirl, worst case scenario, you get to take another shot at it |
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STOICH Samba Member
Joined: November 26, 2004 Posts: 1101 Location: Fallbrook
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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doggawn wrote: |
I'm trying to installed an original style. 9 pieces in total. I thought it would be easier to deal with in seperate peices rather than one huge piece.
It's not an easy job but not something that can't be done. Mine has a few wrinkles also but it looks good for my first time.
Always better to do the work yourself no matter.
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delibessleep Samba Member

Joined: January 09, 2005 Posts: 764 Location: Nine Mile Falls, WA
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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Headliners are a pain and a little daunting, but you can do it yourself.
The EZ-Style has a few drawbacks. The look of the thing behind the quarter window to where it meets the rear window is a little funky...not too bad, but certainly not like the original.
There are some tricks, but mostly it is patience. I did my beetle in about 6 hours and it turned out great.
be careful when you pit your windows back in that you don't pull out the headliner where it attaches at the sills. _________________ 63 Single Cab
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duginabug Samba Member

Joined: June 06, 2007 Posts: 481 Location: Washington State
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:23 am Post subject: |
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Yellowbeard wrote: |
Culito wrote: |
What is the difference between the "easy install" type and the original ones? I'll have to do this eventually. |
Let me know when you get ready. I've done a few and I'll come out and lend a hand. |
This is a generous offer you REALLY should take. After doing one by myself I can honestly say that if I had a second set of hands it would have made the job SO much easier.
Of course, I'd look like a little odd with four hands.
mwaahaha I crack myself up. _________________ 1960 Sedan. L349 Jade Green. |
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Yellowbeard Samba Member

Joined: March 07, 2006 Posts: 2288 Location: At large again...
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:25 am Post subject: |
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Culito wrote: |
What is the difference between the "easy install" type and the original ones? I'll have to do this eventually. |
Let me know when you get ready. I've done a few and I'll come out and lend a hand. _________________
Lohe wrote: |
Thanks. Thread went from me not being able to understand what Ipis was saying because English is obviously not his first language to me not being able to understand it because English is my first language  |
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duginabug Samba Member

Joined: June 06, 2007 Posts: 481 Location: Washington State
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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shano63 wrote: |
Was that your first time?? Very nice work! |
Thanks. This was my first. _________________ 1960 Sedan. L349 Jade Green. |
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shano63  Samba Member

Joined: October 06, 2006 Posts: 3635 Location: Stormville NY
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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Was that your first time?? Very nice work! _________________ 63 T1 Ragtop Gulf Blue
20 Toyota Corolla 6spd
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duginabug Samba Member

Joined: June 06, 2007 Posts: 481 Location: Washington State
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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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I installed my multi piece headliner myself. After reading all the warnings here about how hard of a job it is, I prepared myself for a nightmare, but to my surprise, it was much easier than I expected.
It IS a time consuming process, but by no means is it hard.
I realize this isn't "stock", but I just didn't like the plain looking folded end. Thought this add a nice touch.
_________________ 1960 Sedan. L349 Jade Green. |
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w.mainhotrods Samba Member

Joined: August 16, 2007 Posts: 284 Location: Rogersville,Tennessee
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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:36 am Post subject: |
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What is recommended to put under the headliner?sound proof heat barrier....Best for the $. |
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Harris Samba Member

Joined: June 11, 2004 Posts: 1317 Location: Texas
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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:48 am Post subject: Headliner |
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but having installed both the original style is easier to put in. with the pieces being seperate it is easier to pull each piece tight and make it look good |
I've never done the "easy" or later style vinyl, but I think your right. The 9 piece lets you do one section at a time. The top on the 9 piece can be a bear trying to keep the plastic strip from flipping on you. |
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john7 Samba Member
Joined: August 06, 2003 Posts: 1550 Location: Garden grove ca
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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:38 am Post subject: |
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personally i like the way the "easy install" headliner looks. probably because that is how my 74 super came with from the factory and am used to seeing it that way. but having installed both the original style is easier to put in. with the pieces being seperate it is easier to pull each piece tight and make it look good.
but if i pay a shop to do it i have a 1 piece style headliner installed. it just looks better being all smooth around the back window _________________ Jesus Saves
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w.mainhotrods Samba Member

Joined: August 16, 2007 Posts: 284 Location: Rogersville,Tennessee
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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:54 am Post subject: |
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The window rubber is all new. |
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hemifalcon Samba Member

Joined: June 15, 2005 Posts: 1483 Location: Union Grove, WI
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Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:35 am Post subject: |
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w.mainhotrods wrote: |
Can this be done without the windows being removed?I purchased a one piece from mid amer motorworks and want to do it myself. |
No.. Your side and rear window must be removed. If you are careful, and the rubber isn't too deteriorated, you may be able to ge them out-- but it's not a bad idea to just cut the rubber and put new weatherstripping in. You'd hate to get a new headliner in, then put the windows back in with crappy rubber, and water damage your new headliner. _________________ '62 VW Bug Sedan (Ruby Red)
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