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What type of headliner do you have?
Original style
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Easy install style
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havent had to do it yet
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 9:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Headliners, Easy Install v. Original Style Reply with quote

That is of immense help, thanks! Yes the original style looks much better and more correct.
The only thing that confuses me is that when I pulled out the original headliner from my 69, I discovered that the "main" roof piece and the trim piece around the rear window were in fact sewn together via a cardboard trim piece that was tucked away in the crevasse above the rear window. Everybody I have asked about that says that means it wasn't the original headliner but I absolutely guarantee it was.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2022 9:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Headliners, Easy Install v. Original Style Reply with quote

sb001 wrote:
Can someone please explain IN DETAIL the difference between the original (multi-piece) style headliner vs the easy install (one-piece) headliner? In particular, which sections are extra pieces in the original style vs sewn in to the one-piece?
I cannot find ANY good illustrations showing the differences, and when I look them up on Sewfine's catalog they show the EXACT same illustration for both, then it says the one-piece still comes with 5 additional "trim" pieces which to me would be indicative of a multi-piece.
I am looking for a new headliner for my 69, I realize this is the wrong forum but since the subject was brought up here I thought I would ask.
Thanks in advance


In essence, both styles of headliners you ask about are in fact "multi piece" headliners. The BIG difference between the 2 types is the area around the rear window. On the "original" style, there is a separate (and somewhat painstaking) section which needs to be installed apart from the main section, around the rear window. The "easy install" style eliminates the separate rear window section altogether, which indeed makes installation easier but at the expense of looking "not quite right" IMHO. But, then again - I'm a "gotta be original" fanatic! You may think otherwise...

BOTH types of headliners get additional strips of material included for the 2 "B" pillars, plus under each quarter side window, and upper firewall area (under rear window). There is no such thing as a literal "one piece" headliner kit, although some vendors refer to the "easy install" as a one piece due to the absence of the rear window section.

Below are two photos showing a view of each type. First one is the "easy install" variety. Consider the rear window...
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The next picture is of a '68 headliner with the original style window version. Your '69 should be the same, however there might be a slight detail difference for the rear window defogger with the '69 - up.
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Hope this might help..
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 20, 2022 11:57 am    Post subject: Re: Headliners, Easy Install v. Original Style Reply with quote

Can someone please explain IN DETAIL the difference between the original (multi-piece) style headliner vs the easy install (one-piece) headliner? In particular, which sections are extra pieces in the original style vs sewn in to the one-piece?
I cannot find ANY good illustrations showing the differences, and when I look them up on Sewfine's catalog they show the EXACT same illustration for both, then it says the one-piece still comes with 5 additional "trim" pieces which to me would be indicative of a multi-piece.
I am looking for a new headliner for my 69, I realize this is the wrong forum but since the subject was brought up here I thought I would ask.
Thanks in advance
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Headliners, Easy Install v. Original Style Reply with quote

When it came time for the headliner to be done in my 63 ragtop, I got a few quotes. I thought on it, wrote some numbers on a scrap paper, did some math and came to a decision. I decided to do it myself. I could do it myself numerous times ( I forget how many it’s been 10 plus years ) for the price of someone else doing it once, I figure by the 3rd or 4th headliner I install myself I should have it down and still be under the estimates I got. I mean try it and see how it goes. You might surprise yourself, after I repaint my bug I’m going to be installing headliner number 3. Still under budget. Lol
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2022 5:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Headliners, Easy Install v. Original Style Reply with quote

I tried to do my oval headliner myself and after many hours of sweating, swearing, and tearing the fabrics I decided to take it to someone who did it for $1000. Worth the money.
Mind you this is socal costs.
The line under the window must be a reflection from sun. It’s not really there.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2022 2:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Headliners, Easy Install v. Original Style Reply with quote

7of5 wrote:
That really was a nice job, especially for your first time. Perhaps you should change vocations, Good beetle upholsterer’s are rare now

Considering this was almost 13 years ago they probably did. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 06, 2022 10:02 am    Post subject: Re: Headliners, Easy Install v. Original Style Reply with quote

That really was a nice job, especially for your first time. Perhaps you should change vocations, Good beetle upholsterer’s are rare now
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you really think about it.. a headliner is 40 bucks from jbugs... My buddies spent more money in beer last time we put in a headliner.. give it a whirl, worst case scenario, you get to take another shot at it
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggawn wrote:
I'm trying to installed an original style. 9 pieces in total. I thought it would be easier to deal with in seperate peices rather than one huge piece.
It's not an easy job but not something that can't be done. Mine has a few wrinkles also but it looks good for my first time.
Always better to do the work yourself no matter.
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NICE JOB!!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Headliners are a pain and a little daunting, but you can do it yourself.

The EZ-Style has a few drawbacks. The look of the thing behind the quarter window to where it meets the rear window is a little funky...not too bad, but certainly not like the original.

There are some tricks, but mostly it is patience. I did my beetle in about 6 hours and it turned out great.

be careful when you pit your windows back in that you don't pull out the headliner where it attaches at the sills.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yellowbeard wrote:
Culito wrote:
What is the difference between the "easy install" type and the original ones? I'll have to do this eventually.


Let me know when you get ready. I've done a few and I'll come out and lend a hand.


This is a generous offer you REALLY should take. After doing one by myself I can honestly say that if I had a second set of hands it would have made the job SO much easier.

Of course, I'd look like a little odd with four hands.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 5:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Culito wrote:
What is the difference between the "easy install" type and the original ones? I'll have to do this eventually.


Let me know when you get ready. I've done a few and I'll come out and lend a hand.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Was that your first time?? Very nice work!


Thanks. This was my first.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was that your first time?? Very nice work!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I installed my multi piece headliner myself. After reading all the warnings here about how hard of a job it is, I prepared myself for a nightmare, but to my surprise, it was much easier than I expected.

It IS a time consuming process, but by no means is it hard.
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I realize this isn't "stock", but I just didn't like the plain looking folded end. Thought this add a nice touch.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is recommended to put under the headliner?sound proof heat barrier....Best for the $.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:48 am    Post subject: Headliner Reply with quote

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but having installed both the original style is easier to put in. with the pieces being seperate it is easier to pull each piece tight and make it look good


I've never done the "easy" or later style vinyl, but I think your right. The 9 piece lets you do one section at a time. The top on the 9 piece can be a bear trying to keep the plastic strip from flipping on you.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

personally i like the way the "easy install" headliner looks. probably because that is how my 74 super came with from the factory and am used to seeing it that way. but having installed both the original style is easier to put in. with the pieces being seperate it is easier to pull each piece tight and make it look good.

but if i pay a shop to do it i have a 1 piece style headliner installed. it just looks better being all smooth around the back window
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The window rubber is all new.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

w.mainhotrods wrote:
Can this be done without the windows being removed?I purchased a one piece from mid amer motorworks and want to do it myself.


No.. Your side and rear window must be removed. If you are careful, and the rubber isn't too deteriorated, you may be able to ge them out-- but it's not a bad idea to just cut the rubber and put new weatherstripping in. You'd hate to get a new headliner in, then put the windows back in with crappy rubber, and water damage your new headliner.
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