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pastellgreen Samba Member
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Ferrety66 Samba Member

Joined: July 01, 2012 Posts: 31 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2022 10:28 pm Post subject: 113 129 613 E KNECHT |
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These posts helped a lot. Here is my little contribution. Hope it helps someone. From my 1966 Sedan.
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jays58s Samba Member

Joined: August 23, 2004 Posts: 2175 Location: Nor-Cal
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Posted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:08 pm Post subject: Re: 61 oil bath filter VW number |
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This is the original air cleaner from my 11/60 ragtop beetle. Early 61’s didn’t have the breather tube.
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VWLady Crazy VW Lady

Joined: March 13, 2004 Posts: 3868 Location: Twin Cities, MN
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Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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The only reason I said it doesn't look it fits very well is this photo:
Application - yeah, it has to be a Bug. The crank breather was added in like June 61, so before that. |
I have the very same air cleaner, stamped 8/60. I think it had to be a beetle filter made in small series for very first 40hp engines. Industrial engines at that time used mushroom cleaners or oil bath cleaners without the snout and preheat! |
Here is this same air cleaner on an early 1961 vert!
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=8236460#8236460 |
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AF64 Samba Member

Joined: September 03, 2013 Posts: 24 Location: Far East
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Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2014 7:53 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the leads. I tried looking for it at local O-ring shop but no luck yet to get the right size.
I tried to place few rubber band as o ring temporary and it did solve the leak issue, so i guess the o ring will work too.
I didnt see the post about Mann filter is a better choice, guess it was in another thread. I am running this filter on an 1.6 engine, it might need a bigger diameter. I only got Knecht filter in hand, so got to work with it until i get Mann.
Here is photo of my filter.
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glutamodo  The Android

Joined: July 13, 2004 Posts: 26640 Location: Douglas, WY
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AF64 Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2014 10:28 am Post subject: |
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I've never seen that sort of date stamp either. What other markings are on that 10/61 cleaner? The 12/61 photo, that's my pic. I have two of those with that date - the original one from my 62 which is currently on the car- and an extra I picked up a while back. I just dug up the spare one again. It's a KNECHT LB 624/1 113129613B. And it's only got just an O-ring inside it - but I have no idea if it's the original or correct seal.
(all the other 40HP air cleaners I have around here are C series and those have the gasket in the top half - I've never seriously tried to remove one of those, as I've been afraid I'd ruin it getting it out)
Pics of my B cleaner:
-Andy
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Any one know where to get this seal? I have looked all over online couldnt find any vendor carry this seal.. |
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1961bluebug Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:23 am Post subject: |
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voilá..here it is..that strange early 40 HP oil bath cleaner in factory literature:
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1961 Deluxe beetle, 1971 type 181, 1968 T2a Baywindow, 1973 Type 147 "Swiss Fridolin"(sold), 1966 Deluxe sedan (sold), 1983 "Silver Bug" edition (sold), 1961 beetle (sold) |
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1961bluebug Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| glutamodo wrote: |
The only reason I said it doesn't look it fits very well is this photo:
Application - yeah, it has to be a Bug. The crank breather was added in like June 61, so before that. |
I have the very same air cleaner, stamped 8/60. I think it had to be a beetle filter made in small series for very first 40hp engines. Industrial engines at that time used mushroom cleaners or oil bath cleaners without the snout and preheat! _________________
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1961 Deluxe beetle, 1971 type 181, 1968 T2a Baywindow, 1973 Type 147 "Swiss Fridolin"(sold), 1966 Deluxe sedan (sold), 1983 "Silver Bug" edition (sold), 1961 beetle (sold) |
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glutamodo  The Android

Joined: July 13, 2004 Posts: 26640 Location: Douglas, WY
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Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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This one from Wolfsburg West:
http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=ZVW25
is what I installed onto the 12/61 air cleaner in my 62 bug - I got it a long time ago, so they may have changed some over the years, but I think it's about the same.
Those are water transfer decals, much more durable than the sticker type decal my 62 originally had.
compared to a factory photo
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ggisawesome Samba Member
Joined: June 04, 2013 Posts: 1 Location: Pico Rivera
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Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:37 pm Post subject: Oil Bath Air Filter from 1961-1966 Help Wanted |
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I have oil bath air filter I picked up this weekend from the Pomona Fairplex Volkswagen Swapmeet.
I want to restore it myself and I'm looking for the german decal that goes in the front of the filter. Does anybody know where I can buy a sticker for the 1961-1966 oil bath air filters?
Online I can only find the 1967 oil bath air filter stickers.
Yes I am aware that the original is directly painted in the filter but mine is already faded and scratch off.
Here is a link to a similar filter: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=1067716
And also does anybody know where I can get the clips that hold the top down?
Any help is appreciated!!! I will post pics of when I try to restore my oil bath filter.
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glutamodo  The Android

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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I think it's probably a mismatch. How do the interior bits line up, where center tube meets the lid?
However, with a 113 part number on the lid... 113 would indicate that the part originated on a model 113. If it was some Industrial-only part, it should be a 12x number. |
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VWLady Crazy VW Lady

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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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In the past I've had luck doing a search in ETKA for old VW parts but no such luck on this lid.
I had also thought of the industrial engine angle so I took a look in the Technical documentation and found this picture:
It is as close to the shape and anything else I have seen so maybe the top half is a 126A industrial lid. Since the bottom half has only two clips not 4 as in the picture, and the 8/60 date code, I think it is a mismatched air cleaner.
Thoughts? |
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glutamodo  The Android

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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:16 am Post subject: |
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Oh, I know what you're saying. But what I remember seeing was later model larger-bodied air cleaners with a flat-top like this one. If I dig up anything older I'll post them.
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PSScoots Samba Member

Joined: January 06, 2007 Posts: 505 Location: Chattanooga TN
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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It's 2.15 am right now and I should be in bed, but I dropped in on this thread to say I think that odd filter top (with the parallel sides before it domes) is either from an industrial engine, or one of those "model" engines they use for photographs in manuals.
Check with the photo gallery, I know I've seen this config before and it was on the Samba. _________________ Rebuilt to drive not decorate. -VOLKSWAGNUT
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templeofspeed Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I have seen that oddball filter on a customer's Beryl green '61. First one I'd seen... |
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VWLady Crazy VW Lady

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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I don't think I had the other clip on in that picture.
Thanks for your ideas. Maybe someone else will have seen this and can chime in. |
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glutamodo  The Android

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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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The only reason I said it doesn't look it fits very well is this photo:
Application - yeah, it has to be a Bug. The crank breather was added in like June 61, so before that. |
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VWLady Crazy VW Lady

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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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It fits every bit as good as the domed top and seems to seal just fine. With the VW stamp on the top it's clearly a VW part, but what application?
I thought of some other model but I'm really only left with bus or Ghia during this time frame but those are very different.
The mystery continues! |
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glutamodo  The Android

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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| The bottom half, yeah definately early 61 air cleaner. But that top half, yeah it's hard to say, I don't recall seeing one like that before! It also doesn't seem like it fits very well, and with the colour being different... I'd suspect some kind of a transplant like you said. |
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