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funagon Samba Member

Joined: March 09, 2006 Posts: 1308 Location: SLC, UT
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 10:39 am Post subject: |
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This was my opinion:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=242032&start=20
"For me, the loss in performance is serious enough that I don't recommend a larger diameter tire for a stock vanagon . . . Changing to a larger diameter tire has made my van into a slow steering, poor handling, slow vanagon." _________________ 1990 GL 7-passenger
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PDXWesty Samba Member

Joined: April 11, 2006 Posts: 6344 Location: Portland OR
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| Yep, my highly sensitive butt dyno impressions tell me that when I moved up to larger 15 inch 75 series BFG A/Ts from the stock 14 inch 70 series, I had noticeably less "escape speed" from a start, and less power when climbing hills. Have to downshift much more often. Trade-off is I have lower rpms at freeway speeds. |
That was my exact experience too going from 185's to 27's. _________________ 89 Westy 2.1 Auto |
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hiram6 Samba Member
Joined: September 29, 2006 Posts: 1880 Location: Beautiful South
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:15 am Post subject: |
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Yep, my highly sensitive butt dyno impressions tell me that when I moved up to larger 15 inch 75 series BFG A/Ts from the stock 14 inch 70 series, I had noticeably less "escape speed" from a start, and less power when climbing hills. Have to downshift much more often. Trade-off is I have lower rpms at freeway speeds. _________________ 1985 Westy, 1.9L automatic (Daisy)
1996 Mazda Miata
1998 Jeep Grand Cherokee 5.9 Limited
You can't lie around on the beach and drink rum all day.................unless you start first thing in the morning. |
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MarkWard Samba Member

Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 19111 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 9:08 am Post subject: |
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| Taller tires are a poor mans gear change. I would expect a taller tire to lug the engine going up an incline where a shorter tire would not. Is that what you are experiencing? The answer to your question is yes, tire diameter has a direct affect on engine operating rpms. From memory going from stock tires on my conversion to 215/65/16s lowered rpm 300 at 70mph. With the TDI conversions, we are trying to get the working rpms lower since max torque is around 2000 rpm. |
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Westy-Life Samba Member
Joined: June 24, 2008 Posts: 178 Location: The Road or Calgary AB
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Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:52 am Post subject: |
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When you have some time to kill try switching the wheels from each van and redo your test.
Dave _________________ 86 Westfalia with 03' TDI Auto trans |
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AtlasShrugged Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2008 Posts: 1605 Location: Decatur, Ga. USA
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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I had the stock sized tires on 14 inch factory alloys and switched to the 195 RA08s.
With an automatic transmission, I did not detect any real performance issues with shifting or power. My speedometer is more accurate now though.
Highway engine speed (RPM) is slightly more relaxed too. |
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PDXWesty Samba Member

Joined: April 11, 2006 Posts: 6344 Location: Portland OR
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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If you haven't changed tire size, you really don't know how the van feels with different sizes. You can put on 185's and switch to 27" and you will notice a difference. If all you've ever driven on is one size with your van, there's no real basis for comparison. The OP was asking for comparisons. _________________ 89 Westy 2.1 Auto |
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jacob. Samba Member

Joined: August 10, 2009 Posts: 802
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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I've got stock 14" steel rims with some kind of 195 r14 tires on there. Turns in second, hills in 3rd feels good. Just like the above poster.
<edit> I guess you've got a point pdxwesty, I have nothing to compare how my tires feel with. _________________
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seanjenn Samba Member
Joined: March 07, 2009 Posts: 722 Location: TAOS
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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I've got 195R14 RAO8s on mine and they are awesome, van has no power issues with them. Corners in second and all the hills in third no problem. _________________ 1987 GL Sunroof
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PDXWesty Samba Member

Joined: April 11, 2006 Posts: 6344 Location: Portland OR
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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I noticed a big difference in power and speed on my westy when I went from stock tires to 27x8.5x14. Big difference.... _________________ 89 Westy 2.1 Auto |
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Gauche1968 Samba Member
Joined: April 13, 2006 Posts: 1562
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Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:09 pm Post subject: How much difference does tire size make. |
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So I have been noticing some marked differences in the driveability of my 3 vans as of late. The 84 Westy, which has the stock tire size seems to be able to maintain power and speed in higher gears more readily than the 84 GL. A hill that the westy will take in 3rd gear at ease, the GL seems to want 2nd. The Westy also seems to ride out turns in 2nd much easier, whereas the GL seems to want 1st gear coming out of turns at times. The Westy is running the stock tire size, whereas the GL has the 195 RA08s. Could these differences be caused by the difference in tire size or is there something more sinister going on with the GL?  _________________ 1984 Vanagon GL
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