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You'd think we're driving a rare car or something.
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squaretobehip
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I'd totally pay $350 for sleep extenders...
when there weren't any cheaper OG ones left. I think dashes are a worthy repro. I think they're a bit more important than an accessory such as sleep extenders(in terms of looks, not functionality!). And I am one of the fools buying a dash... 
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gixxer 711
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| and possibly $600 and up for a repro dash(so it seems right now), and etc. |
As you know I am working on the dashes
I did my homework and if someone can do it cheaper be my guest
A lot of people who are in the industry are telling me I am mad for working with such a small profit margin
On the other hand someone must be the fool who did it - in this case (as with the spindles) that fool will be me
In the worst case scenario I end up with the biggest collection of dashes on the planet
I am pretty sure a lot of people made worst mistakes in their lives and lost a lot of money
I am thinking of speed fines, wrecked cars, split marriages
Reproing for the TIII market is and will always be a gamble
Ask Bob about the cloth - ask Gerson about his panels...
Someone must be the fool - some will be foolish (make that smart since when they're gone they're gone) to buy those repro parts
I used to have over 30 NOS fenders - I come accross quite a lot - but when they're gone they're gone !
Just my 2 cents...
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thanks to the fools like bert!!
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| and possibly $600 and up for a repro dash(so it seems right now), and etc. |
As you know I am working on the dashes
I did my homework and if someone can do it cheaper be my guest
A lot of people who are in the industry are telling me I am mad for working with such a small profit margin
On the other hand someone must be the fool who did it - in this case (as with the spindles) that fool will be me
In the worst case scenario I end up with the biggest collection of dashes on the planet
I am pretty sure a lot of people made worst mistakes in their lives and lost a lot of money
I am thinking of speed fines, wrecked cars, split marriages
Reproing for the TIII market is and will always be a gamble
Ask Bob about the cloth - ask Gerson about his panels...
Someone must be the fool - some will be foolish (make that smart since when they're gone they're gone) to buy those repro parts
I used to have over 30 NOS fenders - I come accross quite a lot - but when they're gone they're gone !
Just my 2 cents...
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squaretobehip
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| i cant wait for all the aftermarket parts to dry up for our type 3s. all we do is bitch about the price of things. its no wonder there arent more parts out there. it isnt the uks fault that our dollar is crappy. it is supply and demand. the smaller the quantity that is made, the more expensive they will be. it is a monetary risk every time some creates something for us, as many that have done so have found out. if you think you can do it cheaper, do it or shut up!! i am tired of hearing how we drive type 3s because we cannot afford parts for other more expensive vws. the cheapest parts are for a bug. go buy a bug and it will be much cheaper to restore, even if the initial price might be slightly higher. if you dont want a bug, quit bitchin! |
People(myself included) are bitching because a repopped item should cost less than an original item. You wouldn't pay more for Flat-4's over-rider bumper set than an original set would you? When a repop comes out that's more expensive than an original item, it creates two problems:
1. The price of an original is going to skyrocket. OG sleep extenders were out there for roughly $150-200. If John Doe goes on the samba looking to sell his OG sleep extenders and see's NEW ones going for $350, in his mind, OG one's must be worth more.
2. When a repop comes out and seems rediculously overpriced, of coarse no one's going to buy it. Like me, they're going to complain because originals are cheaper. It's all backwards.
A lot of people on here seem to have this mentality that, "If you don't like the price, do it yourself..." That's such a cop out. Make a product that has a market for it. If it doesn't have a market, or you price yourself out of the market, it's your own fault. When it doesn't sell, all of a sudden Type 3 people are cheap. No, we're just saying that we're not going to buy a repop when OG's are cheaper(for now). |
again see crappy dollar value. the value of their money basically stayed the same. it used to be that their stated 215 euro, would have been under $200 US. so again, NOT THEIR FAULT. why do you think they are snapping up all our cars? and we americans are arrogant enough to assume we are their only customers, not the rest of the world as well.  |
Again, this is a bad repop. It should not have been made, or even put into production if they end price was higher than what originals go for. Of coarse, there are people who are willing to pay up the ass for a "cool" part. These people are willing to drop $450 on a repro tach, $350 on repro sleep extenders, and possibly $600 and up for a repro dash(so it seems right now), and etc. These willing people are going to be preyed upon by those making these products because they know some idiot will buy it just because it's readily available. They will jack up prices because a few people will buy them. But, other people will not and will question why more planning wasn't put into the production in the first place. Why was it rushed out? Did they shop around different manufactures? Over paying for over-engineered and over-manufactured products will not sell in such a small market. The Type 3 community is a small market regardless(US+Europe Type 3 Market = Small).
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gixxer 711
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| i cant wait for all the aftermarket parts to dry up for our type 3s. all we do is bitch about the price of things. its no wonder there arent more parts out there. it isnt the uks fault that our dollar is crappy. it is supply and demand. the smaller the quantity that is made, the more expensive they will be. it is a monetary risk every time some creates something for us, as many that have done so have found out. if you think you can do it cheaper, do it or shut up!! i am tired of hearing how we drive type 3s because we cannot afford parts for other more expensive vws. the cheapest parts are for a bug. go buy a bug and it will be much cheaper to restore, even if the initial price might be slightly higher. if you dont want a bug, quit bitchin! |
People(myself included) are bitching because a repopped item should cost less than an original item. You wouldn't pay more for Flat-4's over-rider bumper set than an original set would you? When a repop comes out that's more expensive than an original item, it creates two problems:
1. The price of an original is going to skyrocket. OG sleep extenders were out there for roughly $150-200. If John Doe goes on the samba looking to sell his OG sleep extenders and see's NEW ones going for $350, in his mind, OG one's must be worth more.
2. When a repop comes out and seems rediculously overpriced, of coarse no one's going to buy it. Like me, they're going to complain because originals are cheaper. It's all backwards.
A lot of people on here seem to have this mentality that, "If you don't like the price, do it yourself..." That's such a cop out. Make a product that has a market for it. If it doesn't have a market, or you price yourself out of the market, it's your own fault. When it doesn't sell, all of a sudden Type 3 people are cheap. No, we're just saying that we're not going to buy a repop when OG's are cheaper(for now). |
again see crappy dollar value. the value of their money basically stayed the same. it used to be that their stated 215 euro, would have been under $200 US. so again, NOT THEIR FAULT. why do you think they are snapping up all our cars? and we americans are arrogant enough to assume we are their only customers, not the rest of the world as well.
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squaretobehip
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| i cant wait for all the aftermarket parts to dry up for our type 3s. all we do is bitch about the price of things. its no wonder there arent more parts out there. it isnt the uks fault that our dollar is crappy. it is supply and demand. the smaller the quantity that is made, the more expensive they will be. it is a monetary risk every time some creates something for us, as many that have done so have found out. if you think you can do it cheaper, do it or shut up!! i am tired of hearing how we drive type 3s because we cannot afford parts for other more expensive vws. the cheapest parts are for a bug. go buy a bug and it will be much cheaper to restore, even if the initial price might be slightly higher. if you dont want a bug, quit bitchin! |
People(myself included) are bitching because a repopped item should cost less than an original item. You wouldn't pay more for Flat-4's over-rider bumper set than an original set would you? When a repop comes out that's more expensive than an original item, it creates two problems:
1. The price of an original is going to skyrocket. OG sleep extenders were out there for roughly $150-200. If John Doe goes on the samba looking to sell his OG sleep extenders and see's NEW ones going for $350, in his mind, OG one's must be worth more.
2. When a repop comes out and seems rediculously overpriced, of coarse no one's going to buy it. Like me, they're going to complain because originals are cheaper. It's all backwards.
A lot of people on here seem to have this mentality that, "If you don't like the price, do it yourself..." That's such a cop out. Make a product that has a market for it. If it doesn't have a market, or you price yourself out of the market, it's your own fault. When it doesn't sell, all of a sudden Type 3 people are cheap. No, we're just saying that we're not going to buy a repop when OG's are cheaper(for now).
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i have seen it said on a couple occasions. reasons stated were that the initial price was less than the ever popular early bug and buses and used stock parts were less due to the type 3 being less popular.
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blankmange
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| ... i am tired of hearing how we drive type 3s because we cannot afford parts for other more expensive vws... |
I've never heard of someone using this as a reason why they bought a T3 but I always tell people parts availability is more difficult for the T3 than it is for a Bug or Bus!!
To this day, when ever one mentions "old VW" or "classic VW" the general populace still thinks of them as a cheap vehicle. This is why there are still so many kids - and adults who don't do their necessary homework - out there buying them and then finding there is more work involved with them than expected, more work involved than if they would've gotten a more modern but used car of the same price (heh, or likely cheaper!). |
I agree, Toby -- I have never heard any Type 3 driver state that we can't afford parts prices is the reason for driving a Type 3 -- I drive one because they are unique and offer a better driving/ownership experience than one of the more common VW's, like a bug or a bus...
I've always said that owning a Type 3 requires a commitment...
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| ... i am tired of hearing how we drive type 3s because we cannot afford parts for other more expensive vws... |
I've never heard of someone using this as a reason why they bought a T3 but I always tell people parts availability is more difficult for the T3 than it is for a Bug or Bus!!
To this day, when ever one mentions "old VW" or "classic VW" the general populace still thinks of them as a cheap vehicle. This is why there are still so many kids - and adults who don't do their necessary homework - out there buying them and then finding there is more work involved with them than expected, more work involved than if they would've gotten a more modern but used car of the same price (heh, or likely cheaper!).
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gixxer 711
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i cant wait for all the aftermarket parts to dry up for our type 3s. all we do is bitch about the price of things. its no wonder there arent more parts out there. it isnt the uks fault that our dollar is crappy. it is supply and demand. the smaller the quantity that is made, the more expensive they will be. it is a monetary risk every time some creates something for us, as many that have done so have found out. if you think you can do it cheaper, do it or shut up!! i am tired of hearing how we drive type 3s because we cannot afford parts for other more expensive vws. the cheapest parts are for a bug. go buy a bug and it will be much cheaper to restore, even if the initial price might be slightly higher. if you dont want a bug, quit bitchin!
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85fastlane
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I love my extenders. Slept in my car all last summer while driving it all around western Canada. These are the OG ones right? Why would it cost so much to repop these??
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I agree with the price arguments. I did tell the makers in another thread I would be interested in a set, but hell no am I going to pay 350 for these. 
I would rather pay 500 to Gerson for floor pans that I don't need at the moment than pay 350.00 for 1 pound worth of steel. 120-150 would be a good price point for these repops.
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Reproductions should be priced less than what originals go for |
Or at the very least, the same price.
I got my originals for $150 and that's pretty much the price I've seen 'em sell for.
People making the repops need to make some money. My guess is they're barely breaking even. Sucks but that's how it goes when it's a little shop doing it. |
Thing about the RHD mats and dash pads is you cannot find them anywhere. I paid 350 for my perfect RHD dash pad. THere will be more camping hinges in the classifieds there there will be any RHD rubber mats
I was talking about the hinges being less than originals. |
I know.
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Thornton
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Reproductions should be priced less than what originals go for |
Or at the very least, the same price.
I got my originals for $150 and that's pretty much the price I've seen 'em sell for.
People making the repops need to make some money. My guess is they're barely breaking even. Sucks but that's how it goes when it's a little shop doing it. |
Thing about the RHD mats and dash pads is you cannot find them anywhere. I paid 350 for my perfect RHD dash pad. THere will be more camping hinges in the classifieds there there will be any RHD rubber mats
I was talking about the hinges being less than originals.
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| Thornton wrote: |
Reproductions should be priced less than what originals go for |
Or at the very least, the same price.
I got my originals for $150 and that's pretty much the price I've seen 'em sell for.
People making the repops need to make some money. My guess is they're barely breaking even. Sucks but that's how it goes when it's a little shop doing it.
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Just Talked to Schreloh..... he said they are still in prototype phase, working on making them stronger and more stable... he said there wont be sets around for sale for 2 months  |
Having a pair of originals that I installed in my ride I can comment:
-They are stable. If someone found them instable then they didn't install them correctly (which would be very hard to do) or their vehicle is outta whack. The geometry is very simple.
-To repop, rather difficult, as I've asked a couple different places if they could do it. The price would've been much higher than $200 (this was a few years ago).
-Being repop'd in steel makes sense as that's easier to do. The ones in the classifieds look like it has some welds. Just remember, steel rusts...
-I question if the repop'd ones are significantly stronger but, more importantly, IT DOESN"T MATTER! You're sleeping on them, not carrying pianos or using it as a trampoline! Anyone who has the originals knows how beefy they are and do a perfect job holding the spot up that you SLEEP on. Some marketing ploys are annoying.
They are expensive but they aren't easy to make so it's understandable. I think it's great someone stepped up and are remaking them. |
I'm gonna go on another Negative Nancy rant. I expect backlash, but hear me out. I think this is a bad repop. Granted, any product that is readily available in the Type 3 World is a good thing(sometimes). However, this is not one of those things. Originals are and will be out there. Before these repopped sleep extenders came out, the price seemed to be around $200-250. Yeah, it may have taken some time to find them, but it was do-able. Now that these repops are going for $350, it's only going to drive the price of originals up. |
I agree with you 100%
Reproductions should be priced less than what originals go for |
Let's see You repop those RHD mats/dashes You want for less than what the originals cost!
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i have had a Real set of "Camping Hinges/Sleep Extender"
and i have see what the DDB is (was) selling as a "kit"
take your seat out
on the hinges that allow it to hinge forward
and Cut A Section Width Wise out of the hinge
big enough for the pin to slid out of
(so you can just tilt and lift off)
put your front seats forward
and lay it down on the back of them
measure and Weld some metal for stands
I wouldnt minded geting DDB Stuff
and have NOTHING against them in any way
But there "Kit"
is crap
all it is
is a stand that supports the seat
and cut hinges so you can take the seat off
(plus you have the supports rattling around when not in use)
and if you could measure properly
and add (cut hinges) to the bottom of the (bottom) part of the seat
with a pair of simple Long 2 plain 3 pin hinges
and you wouldnt need a support
God i wish i had a squareback so i could just make them for people
i dont have a pic of the DDB set up
if someone does please post it
Its evident if you know what it looks like
not a bad repop
one would think with thick sheat metal /a welder/ and a pair for reference
Really dont think they would be hard to repop
My problem
is that Europeans KNOW that currency exchange is killing us
and yet
Rape us on every turn
what makes stuff in europe(most)
worth So Much Damn More
most prices would be fine
IF they were in USD
but ##!
331$
+shipping
+_4%paypal
I Mean Really
my REAL set were damn near Perfect and Complete
and i think i sold them for 2-250 or something like that
cut your hinge
bring a brick
easy
simple
worry about such things if you Really Camp ALOT In It
...thats just my wooden nickle..
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| Just Talked to Schreloh..... he said they are still in prototype phase, working on making them stronger and more stable... he said there wont be sets around for sale for 2 months |
Having a pair of originals that I installed in my ride I can comment:
-They are stable. If someone found them instable then they didn't install them correctly (which would be very hard to do) or their vehicle is outta whack. The geometry is very simple.
-To repop, rather difficult, as I've asked a couple different places if they could do it. The price would've been much higher than $200 (this was a few years ago).
-Being repop'd in steel makes sense as that's easier to do. The ones in the classifieds look like it has some welds. Just remember, steel rusts...
-I question if the repop'd ones are significantly stronger but, more importantly, IT DOESN"T MATTER! You're sleeping on them, not carrying pianos or using it as a trampoline! Anyone who has the originals knows how beefy they are and do a perfect job holding the spot up that you SLEEP on. Some marketing ploys are annoying.
They are expensive but they aren't easy to make so it's understandable. I think it's great someone stepped up and are remaking them. |
I'm gonna go on another Negative Nancy rant. I expect backlash, but hear me out. I think this is a bad repop. Granted, any product that is readily available in the Type 3 World is a good thing(sometimes). However, this is not one of those things. Originals are and will be out there. Before these repopped sleep extenders came out, the price seemed to be around $200-250. Yeah, it may have taken some time to find them, but it was do-able. Now that these repops are going for $350, it's only going to drive the price of originals up. |
I agree with you 100%
Reproductions should be priced less than what originals go for
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