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WAF-VW 53
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 Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: Kph trip speedo |
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| No red mark at 50kmh! |
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lightice
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 11:52 am Post subject: Re: Kph trip speedo |
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| Did yours have the 50kmh red line marker? |
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WAF-VW 53
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 11:41 am Post subject: Re: Kph trip speedo |
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The ink stamp only survived on my 120 kph speedo,the other one is with out an marks.
The 160 kph beetle speedo is parts of a Set for beetles with bigger engines back in the sixties.
They are sometimes seen in beetles with Oettinger engines.
I sold my Set at the last HO meeting.
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lightice
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 11:12 am Post subject: Re: Kph trip speedo |
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Looks like there are 2 bumpouts, left of the bakelite and bottom of the bulb on the right.
Good information, and as I suspected, the numbers are ink stamped on.
I've seen a few without any markings, which I believe were painted over by someone previously.
They also have BOTH the left and right bumps. Modified non trip to trip usually only have the right bump and not the left. |
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BulliBill
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:57 am Post subject: Re: Kph trip speedo |
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"Trip" (resettable odometer) speedometers had unique VW part numbers on the back, as mentioned above. I just installed a NOS date coded 1959 "trip" speedo in my 1959 Double-Cab a year ago, and it definitely had VW part number on the backside.
There were also unique "bumpout" impressions in the outer backside housings (that can be seen in the photos above - left side units) to accommodate the "trip" odometer guts. And you can clearly see those "bumpouts" in my photo of the backside of my "trip" speedo below.
Any speedo without those "bumpouts" would make me immediately suspect that the unit was made into a trip unit at some later date. I wish Corona Ryan would pop on here to further educate us on "trip" units.
I also have stored away a 1957 date coded Beetle "trip" speedo" that Corona Ryan completely restored for install on an upcoming project 1957 Beetle Kabriolett. It also has the VW "trip" part number on the backside and "bumpouts".
1957 Beetle "trip" speedometer after is came back from "Orange Empire Speedometer":
Notice also that both of the 1/10th mile wheels on these original VW "trip" speedos are silver-ish with red numbers...
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lightice
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 10:14 am Post subject: Re: Kph trip speedo |
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I believe the trip speedo for kmh had an ink stamp part number.
I have seen a beetle kmh with no part number stamped anywhere as well.
I think maybe they were used for some other application and could be cross referenced to vw for replacement speedos.
My friend has an odd 160kmh beetle speedo, without the speed limit marker. |
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WAF-VW 53
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| Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2016 9:30 am Post subject: Re: Kph trip speedo |
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Hello lightice, Trip speedos are in all pics on the left and for comparison normal speedos on the right.
No parts number on Trip speedos!
Regards Arne |
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lightice
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That is most likely a fake. The tenths dial is white and not silver as the originals are. |
Is the silver font colour on the dial specific to this speedo?
Because I have 120kmh and 100kmh speedos that have white font.
And another 120kmh that has silver font. |
The tenths will be silver with red numbers. |
 I see what you mean, got me confused.
the 0-900m dial is what you mean I believe.
I was looking at the markings on the dialface itself. |
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lightice
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: Kph trip speedo |
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| WAF-VW 53 wrote: |
Both Speedos have the last digit with a silver colour and some more differences compared
to normal speedos.
No pressed parts Number, two pressings on the left and right side of the bakelite bulb holder. |
The first 2 picture, the speedo on the right has a part number on the top.
I can't tell on the left.
The bottom 2 pictures, which are different speedos also have part numbers stamped in.
If you can list down it'd be great. Thanks. |
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matthew henricks
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: Kph trip speedo |
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| Funny, When i was looking all i could find were KM ones. I finally located a MPH unit and got totally lucky in that it was even dated in the right range for my bus. Not cheap but they are out there. |
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| Suboval wrote: |
That is most likely a fake. The tenths dial is white and not silver as the originals are. |
Ask buggen. It was his pic that i posted 6 years ago. At that time the pic was 6 years old, and he had sold it the year before.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=197019#197019 |
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WAF-VW 53
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 11:41 am Post subject: Re: Kph trip speedo |
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Suboval
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| lightice wrote: |
| Suboval wrote: |
That is most likely a fake. The tenths dial is white and not silver as the originals are. |
Is the silver font colour on the dial specific to this speedo?
Because I have 120kmh and 100kmh speedos that have white font.
And another 120kmh that has silver font. |
The tenths will be silver with red numbers.
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WAF-VW 53
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 11:30 am Post subject: Re: Kph trip speedo |
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I have only Seen two or three of These in Germany ,i bought the older one 20 years ago from a speedo collector and the other one from a friend.
These are used but in good condition,so no Fake here.
I had 10 to 15 bug Trip speedos from 50 to 67,all real but a Lot easier to find than bus Trip
speedos.
Maybe the bus ones where only built to special order?
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WAF-VW 53
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 11:12 am Post subject: Re: Kph trip speedo |
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Both Speedos have the last digit with a silver colour and some more differences compared
to normal speedos.
No pressed parts Number, two pressings on the left and right side of the bakelite bulb holder. |
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lightice
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| Suboval wrote: |
That is most likely a fake. The tenths dial is white and not silver as the originals are. |
Is the silver font colour on the dial specific to this speedo?
Because I have 120kmh and 100kmh speedos that have white font.
And another 120kmh that has silver font. |
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lightice
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:07 am Post subject: Re: Kph trip speedo |
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| WAF-VW 53 wrote: |
Keep on searching, i have found some in the last 25 years!
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What are the part numbers on them? |
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Suboval
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That is most likely a fake. The tenths dial is white and not silver as the originals are.
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