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mr magyar
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Hi,
Does anybody have a decent pair of the Belgian wing mounted rear reflectors for sale please?
Volksair, your '49 chassis number is just 39 away from my Belgian market car built on December 14th! It too was originally Pearl grey but is now black. Small world!
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john7
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I guess you want opinions?
I'd remove them all, even if I was driving around with huge holes in the fenders. |
me too
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volksair
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| Piet&Som, you are correct about the fog light application. My '49 Belgian split has the reflectors and the rear-facing foglight that became mandatory in the mid-sixties in Belgium. In my case, the foglight is white. Have a look at my pics on the gallery. |
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johnshenry
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| I suspect the "period correct" third brakelight statement refers to the period ('70s, '80s?) in which Belgium probably required these older cars to have the additional reflectors and signal lights in order to meet safety standards and be allowed to stay on the road legally. |
Ah, that makes sense...
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piet&som
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| I suspect the "period correct" third brakelight statement refers to the period ('70s, '80s?) in which Belgium probably required these older cars to have the additional reflectors and signal lights in order to meet safety standards and be allowed to stay on the road legally. |
That's correct, but the extra "brake"light is in fact a fog light or mist light that became obligatory, I think in 1967, on all vehicles.
If you'd run it as a third brakelight over here, it must be installed higher then the original brake lights and the minimum height has to be 0.85 meter. (No, I'm not a copper.  )
Love that licence plate!! Shame we can't use them anymore here.
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volksair
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| Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| I suspect the "period correct" third brakelight statement refers to the period ('70s, '80s?) in which Belgium probably required these older cars to have the additional reflectors and signal lights in order to meet safety standards and be allowed to stay on the road legally. |
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mcdronkz
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| I thought those came out much later |
Exactly.  |
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johnshenry
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Nice! But is that extra brake light really that old? I thought those came out much later, but I could be mistaken....
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p horvath
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update;
belgium brake lights and reflectors removed. holes to be filled and paint blended.
glass reflectors with aluminum backs removed from bumpers.
period correct 52 belgium porcelin license plate w/small reflector.
period correct hella light on bumper serves as second brake light.
i may go back to the 52 nj license plate.
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p horvath
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| on their way..................... |
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Wiggy
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very cool peter. any more photos?
i bought the car back around 2001 from xavier mente and sold it a few years later.
i saw it again in 2004 at the classic in ca. the new owner just sold it back to me in 2010.
it is in the same condition as in your photos except for a new muffler and new tires. |
I'm sorry, I don't have more photos, but I can send these two if you like.
Would be a pleasure for me; please pm me! |
Very very cool.
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piet&som
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very cool peter. any more photos?
i bought the car back around 2001 from xavier mente and sold it a few years later.
i saw it again in 2004 at the classic in ca. the new owner just sold it back to me in 2010.
it is in the same condition as in your photos except for a new muffler and new tires. |
I'm sorry, I don't have more photos, but I can send these two if you like.
Would be a pleasure for me; please pm me!
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| EverettB wrote: |
I guess you want opinions?
I'd remove them all, even if I was driving around with huge holes in the fenders. |
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Blue Baron
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My car has bulbholders for dual-filament bulbs, so I have combined taillight and brake light in the stock housing. (Plus the popes nose brake light.) It may not be OG, but neither is an extra set of lights on the bumper.
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52brezelfenster
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| dustin,i think your car and mine have build dates only weeks apart. i never knew you had the fenders welded up and repainted. i will most likely go that route, and use the vintage lights from the fenders as extra brake lights on the bumper brackets. |
Yah, it was pretty stealthy. Goes to show that when done properly, it's not noticeable. Not cheap but it made the car in my opinon.
It was later restored and is now in the hands of a well-known comedian, but i will always remember it as a great survivor. |
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p horvath
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| dustin,i think your car and mine have build dates only weeks apart. i never knew you had the fenders welded up and repainted. i will most likely go that route, and use the vintage lights from the fenders as extra brake lights on the bumper brackets. |
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52brezelfenster
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Paul, I wrestled with a similar situation on my old azure belgian 52, later owned by Kev.
It was a beautiful original car, the original owners had replaced the split taillights with later model lights. I removed them and there were extra holes left in the fender.
I found a painter who was an expert in blending and making new paint look old and patina'd. He welded the extra holes up, blended the taillight areas with new paint, it turned out really nice and was hard to tell those areas were ever touched up. I think the secret sauce was using a flattening agent in the paint to dumb down the sheen.
We did the same thing on the front fenders which had blinkers mounted on the top. We re-undercoated the underside of the fenders so you couldn't tell they were ever worked on.
The car looked 10x better with these changes, it was a good decision and I would do it again. |
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p horvath
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Less is more perhaps.
Seems you are trying to make the best out of what those those traffic safety laws did to your poor fenders during the day.
If it were me, I'd punt this idea of preserving the car's so-called euro-originality and provenance, as the car didn't leave the factory that way, nor was the car even originally first registered that way.
Instead I'd return the car to its original spec, remove the bodgery, and fill the holes and blend in. Come next spring you'll forget all about what someone once did to this car in the name of "safety". Besides, all you would be doing is adding to the cars' so-called provenance for someone else 30-40 years from now, only the car will look 10x better.
That said, driving on the roads today you do have to recognize that when a split is braking very few people will know that from behind, which is why I added the set of Bosch period brake lights to my bumper, and all I ever got were compliments on how nice they looked on the car:
I'd suggest mocking up a bit, take off the reflectors and beehive brake lights, and attach the beehives to the bumper mount brackets, stand back and see how that would look once the fenders were reworked. Brake lights at least are going to contribute alot further to retaining the car's provenance over time, only I think they will look 10x nicer that way than on the fender.
Good luck in your decision. |
gary, as we discussed before i think losing the stuff on the fenders and blending is the way to go. i also like the idea of putting the beehives on the brezelwerks brackets for extra brake lights. maybe you could talk to your body guy in mass. and see what he thinks. thanks, paul. |
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p horvath
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very cool peter. any more photos?
i bought the car back around 2001 from xavier mente and sold it a few years later.
i saw it again in 2004 at the classic in ca. the new owner just sold it back to me in 2010.
it is in the same condition as in your photos except for a new muffler and new tires. |
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