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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, I bench filled the new cylinder on the Joker.
If I'm gonna remove the clutch master anyway (to fill), I might as well get a fresh one.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Adding fluid directly to the cylinder, reconnecting and bleeding is what I feel will help if it has any life left in it.

The air pocket is in the master.

I use like a 1/4 - 1/2 of a pint to bleed when I prefilled all cylinders.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I did the brake change I kept air out of the system as best I could. Always kept the res full, never dropped below fill line.
Bled brakes, got rears completely clear of air, had a little more trouble with fronts. Bled clutch, got a fair amount of air out, was surprised there was any at all!
Clutch would alternate between feeling ok to completely flat. Finally got all air out (over a quart of fluid through lines!) but clutch pedal never came back.
As far as I know this is the original master cylinder.

When I did the clutch master on the Joker I was able to achieve full action after only a pint. And that was with full drain down of front lines.

I'll run more fluid through if you think it might help.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you sure it is bled out completely?
Gravity draining can cause air to get into the cylinder and not be easily bled out.

I didn't have any luck rebuilding them years ago.

With new one, I open them up and inspect them completely.

I have had to remove them and use a syringe to get fluid into them on the bench, than install, than power bleeder in the past.

Removing the slave from the bracket and getting it as low as possible has also helped before.

Hope this helps.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sure wish we could get rebuild kits for these! The one I took out of the Joker looks brand new. Even the bore is clean, just old seals.

rock auto lists them. I have no experience with the kits myself though.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, my VC big brake kit is in and while I'm still doing the bed in on the new pads everything is working well and there is already a notable difference in performance.

However, now I have a new problem. The clutch master cylinder, which was working fine, has crapped out. Mad
I guess it couldn't handle new fluid. As part of the brake upgrade I took the time to completely flush all the old fluid out of both systems. The fluid was pretty dark in the clutch system, not so bad in the brakes. I had flushed the brake system back a year or so ago when I rebuilt the rears.

Time for a new clutch master cylinder. I just did this job on the Joker! Confused

Sure wish we could get rebuild kits for these! The one I took out of the Joker looks brand new. Even the bore is clean, just old seals.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is what I ended up doing.
The white washers are made from UHMW plastic, and serve as spacers for the tension spring only.

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Everything clears nicely and the homemade mount seems to hold the rigid line pretty firm.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hi everyone who has VC Big Brakes.

What did you do about the hose support where the flex line meets the hard line at the caliper?


I used a big stainless steel hose clamp - it seems plenty strong to me. But then, I don't have a welder so...
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

excellent ! thank you Dylan.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For use on a 2wd van, the SA hubs allow for many different calipers and rotors to be used.
Backspacing the caliper with an adapter will be unique to each of the different calipers.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ProvoCyclist wrote:
r39o wrote:
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Girling G60. Not corrado

The caliper in question is a twin pot and easy to spot. It says G60 on it too.

There is another caliper out there that bolts up just like the G60, except it is a single pot.

You can find pictures in the HUGE Audi Big Brake thread in the FAQ.


Thats kinda what I thought, ive got a pair, and the are massive and weighty. Plus i take it they dont bolt up to the VC kit?


I want to know this too...will the G60s work with the other components of the VC kit ? with mods like a spacer or milling off material somewhere ?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope, no pictures at this time.

Take flat stock, drill a hole where it will attach to the caliper, heat the center of the stock in a vice, twist it to the desired angle, drill a hole for the union of the lines and assemble.

Some of the SA calipers I have seen in the past lack a tapped hole for this.
If so, I make up my own braided lines with a swivel banjo fitting at the caliper and only support the braided line at the stock location on the upright, knuckle, spindle....what every you want to call it.

If you want to use the lines you have....get a male/male adapter to attach the line directly to the caliper.
If you do this, drop the suspension to full droop while on stands to make sure the line is long enough.
Attach it to the knuckle at full droop.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

insyncro wrote:
MsTaboo wrote:
Hi everyone who has VC Big Brakes.

What did you do about the hose support where the flex line meets the hard line at the caliper?


I fabricate a mount.
GW uses zip ties.


Yep, kinda what I figured. Zip ties just don't seem good enough.

I've got the knowhow, but not the equipment, to fab up something nice looking. Guess I'll have to do what I can with a bench vise, pliers, and a drill.
Insyncro- any photos of your mounts for inspiration?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MsTaboo wrote:
Hi everyone who has VC Big Brakes.

What did you do about the hose support where the flex line meets the hard line at the caliper?


I fabricate a mount.
GW uses zip ties.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 3:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi everyone who has VC Big Brakes.

What did you do about the hose support where the flex line meets the hard line at the caliper?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Having a real hard time getting the VC kit to work with my 15x6 Mefros. Going back to stock for now so I can get back on the road. Can anyone recommend a kit that works well with these wheels with no modifications? Thanks!


Are you working with the later Audi-based kit or the South African brakes? According to Van cafe, the Audi brakes fit the Mefro wheels fine.

I know they fit inside 15" Mercedes wheels, my 15" spare clears just fine.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:42 pm    Post subject: Brakes for 17" tires Reply with quote

We have a syncro with 17" tires and want bigger brakes. Anything we need to consider when comparing?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having a real hard time getting the VC kit to work with my 15x6 Mefros. Going back to stock for now so I can get back on the road. Can anyone recommend a kit that works well with these wheels with no modifications? Thanks!
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Can I ask a real simple question here? If there was already a straight answer to this I missed it.
I have the Van Cafe 15" steel wheels. Can I use the Small Car big brake kit or not?
Thanks!

I asked SmallCar, and they said no. I went with the VC kit, and also have 15" Mefro wheels. Anyone out there running this combo? Pictures? Thanks!

Thanks! I was going to get the VC brakes when I was down there but I ran out of $$, so I was hoping the SC kit would work.
Guess it will have to wait awhile.
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photogdave wrote:
Can I ask a real simple question here? If there was already a straight answer to this I missed it.
I have the Van Cafe 15" steel wheels. Can I use the Small Car big brake kit or not?
Thanks!

I asked SmallCar, and they said no. I went with the VC kit, and also have 15" Mefro wheels. Anyone out there running this combo? Pictures? Thanks!
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