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tjet Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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To answer the original post, here's something I always do when camping: Add a little bleach to the cooler (less than a capfull)
It will keep it fresh. Also, if you can find some, the 10 # solid blocks of ice work great in a standard coleman cooler. 1 block of ice, & a 10# bag of ice cubes will keep stuff cold for 3 days in 90* heat. |
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Merian Samba Member

Joined: January 04, 2014 Posts: 5212 Location: Orygun
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Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:45 am Post subject: |
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yes, that is the critical difference
BTW - I'd generally be more worried about chicken meat in the US than their eggs, assuming a large typical commercial operation. Where I live it is easier to find organic, small-scale sustainable gluten-free eggs and meat than factory farm type stuff.
I'd detail chicken factory farm conditions, but it would sicken everyone reading this.... |
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fxr Samba Member

Joined: December 07, 2014 Posts: 2707 Location: Bay area CA
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Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 6:17 am Post subject: |
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the "advice" is extremely dangerous - 30 days gives bacteria including salmonella a very long time to grow on the shell |
In the US I'd agree. In the UK (I'm an ex-pat Brit) eggs are from certified salmonella-free flocks. They are sold and then kept at home at room temperature. However in the US, always chill eggs as salmonella is endemic, especially in backyard flocks. I confess I was unpleasantly surprised when I was first informed of this!
The rule of thumb is to always keep edible goods at home in a similar environment to the display in the shop they came from.
The interior of our Westy is usually well above a room temperature of 70°F, 21°C most of the year. So fridge it would be for any eggs or butter - however Mrs fxr is vegan, so I refrain from stocking them.  _________________ Jim Crowther
1984 1.9l EJ22 Westy Wolfsburg Edition
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[email protected] Samba Member

Joined: June 02, 2011 Posts: 1593 Location: Louisville, ky
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Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Birdcage wrote: |
Some guys would be fun to meet and camp with and others not so much.
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You can do what you want. People all over the world treat fresh eggs as un-refrigerated foods. "room temp" is needed - so you are correct there as a van is not usually 'room temp'.
I also eat sunny-side up eggs (i.e. not FULLY cooked), unpasteurized cheeses, and raw fish... and always will. USDA guidelines or not
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making stupid comments just compounds the problem here
the "advice" is extremely dangerous - 30 days gives bacteria including salmonella a very long time to grow on the shell
worse, this post is on camping in a vehicle - which will likely be exposed to hot sun, and variance in humidity
and, by protective "layer" on a bird egg - you likely are thinking of the pore size which does give some protection from bacteria
want to know more? you can read a large book by Romanoff "The Avian Egg" or any number of published papers in scientific journals by my colleague Cindy Carey or by me
or read the USDA guidelines on both commercial grocery eegs and "natural or farm-fresh eggs |
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I guess it would be more fun to watch someone blowing liquids out both ends at the same time than it is to read government guidelines about food safety.  |
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Birdcage Samba Member
Joined: November 06, 2013 Posts: 203 Location: Collins of fort
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Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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Some guys would be fun to meet and camp with and others not so much.
| Farfrumwork wrote: |
You can do what you want. People all over the world treat fresh eggs as un-refrigerated foods. "room temp" is needed - so you are correct there as a van is not usually 'room temp'.
I also eat sunny-side up eggs (i.e. not FULLY cooked), unpasteurized cheeses, and raw fish... and always will. USDA guidelines or not
| Merian wrote: |
making stupid comments just compounds the problem here
the "advice" is extremely dangerous - 30 days gives bacteria including salmonella a very long time to grow on the shell
worse, this post is on camping in a vehicle - which will likely be exposed to hot sun, and variance in humidity
and, by protective "layer" on a bird egg - you likely are thinking of the pore size which does give some protection from bacteria
want to know more? you can read a large book by Romanoff "The Avian Egg" or any number of published papers in scientific journals by my colleague Cindy Carey or by me
or read the USDA guidelines on both commercial grocery eegs and "natural or farm-fresh eggs |
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Farfrumwork Samba Member

Joined: October 10, 2008 Posts: 692 Location: Mile High
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Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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You can do what you want. People all over the world treat fresh eggs as un-refrigerated foods. "room temp" is needed - so you are correct there as a van is not usually 'room temp'.
I also eat sunny-side up eggs (i.e. not FULLY cooked), unpasteurized cheeses, and raw fish... and always will. USDA guidelines or not
| Merian wrote: |
making stupid comments just compounds the problem here
the "advice" is extremely dangerous - 30 days gives bacteria including salmonella a very long time to grow on the shell
worse, this post is on camping in a vehicle - which will likely be exposed to hot sun, and variance in humidity
and, by protective "layer" on a bird egg - you likely are thinking of the pore size which does give some protection from bacteria
want to know more? you can read a large book by Romanoff "The Avian Egg" or any number of published papers in scientific journals by my colleague Cindy Carey or by me
or read the USDA guidelines on both commercial grocery eegs and "natural or farm-fresh eggs |
_________________ sold -> '85 Wolfsburg Syncro / 'Built' DOHC EJ25 (a great machine!)
'07 Legacy spec.B, road tuned stgII
'17 4x4 Sprinter, stone grey, SMB pop-top, on 33"s
"Blood stains, speed kills - Fast cars, cheap thrills - Rich girls, fine wine - I've lost my sense, I've lost control, I've lost my mind" |
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jimf909 Samba Member

Joined: April 03, 2014 Posts: 8277 Location: WA/ID
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Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:11 am Post subject: |
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Tastybite offers the convenience of canned chili while being a bit...tastier. I prefer Kashmir Spinach and rice. I keep these along with assorted energy food, chocolate, jiffy-pop, whiskey, etc. stocked all the time to ensure there's always something to eat.
Recommended:
http://tastybite.com/ _________________ - Jim
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| This is the main fault with DIY'ers, they get together on these forums and pat themselves on their backs spreading bad information. |
Guilty as charged.
Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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Merian Samba Member

Joined: January 04, 2014 Posts: 5212 Location: Orygun
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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making stupid comments just compounds the problem here
the "advice" is extremely dangerous - 30 days gives bacteria including salmonella a very long time to grow on the shell
worse, this post is on camping in a vehicle - which will likely be exposed to hot sun, and variance in humidity
and, by protective "layer" on a bird egg - you likely are thinking of the pore size which does give some protection from bacteria
want to know more? you can read a large book by Romanoff "The Avian Egg" or any number of published papers in scientific journals by my colleague Cindy Carey or by me
or read the USDA guidelines on both commercial grocery eegs and "natural or farm-fresh eggs |
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Birdcage Samba Member
Joined: November 06, 2013 Posts: 203 Location: Collins of fort
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| MacDude wrote: |
| another thing about eggs is that if you get local fresh eggs, they can be stored at room temp. no need to take cooler/fridge space. |
not for long! |
Don't get out much do ya? Next time you leave the country go into a local market and look how they stock the shelves, it's vastly different.
most of the cheeses we carry are also stored out of the cooler/fridge
Another thing we do is pop open the engine cover and license plate door to vent the heat |
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Marcq Samba Member
Joined: June 15, 2015 Posts: 231 Location: Corona, CA
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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Truly fresh eggs can last 30-60 days un-refrigerated at room temp.
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what makes you think that? |
He's right, those eggs(if just collected fresh) have a protective layer on them unlike store bought eggs which are washed, as soon as they're washed they have to go in the fridge
Marc.. |
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Merian Samba Member

Joined: January 04, 2014 Posts: 5212 Location: Orygun
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Farfrumwork wrote: |
Truly fresh eggs can last 30-60 days un-refrigerated at room temp.
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what makes you think that? |
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oldschool84 Samba Member
Joined: March 15, 2015 Posts: 122 Location: Syracuse, NY
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Californio wrote: |
My best solution has been to learn to cook one-pot meals, especially using boiling water. If I'm alone, I sometimes, well, often, end up eating chili out of a can, which can be heated in boiling water and eaten from a single bowl. That solves the problem, but then, you're eating canned chili, something the more genteel among won't put up with.
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But you're eating that canned chili in one of the coolest vehicles ever made... |
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Farfrumwork Samba Member

Joined: October 10, 2008 Posts: 692 Location: Mile High
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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Truly fresh eggs can last 30-60days un-refrigerated at room temp.
Unwashed eggs last longer.
I wouldn't let store bought eggs sit around for too long though, but they are most likely a month old+ before you have them in your hands
Us Americans have a fridge-ish (fetish for refrigerating <- I just made up a word! ).
People are freaked out by the butter I keep on the counter - you go ahead and use hard ass butter
Nice tips Birdcage! _________________ sold -> '85 Wolfsburg Syncro / 'Built' DOHC EJ25 (a great machine!)
'07 Legacy spec.B, road tuned stgII
'17 4x4 Sprinter, stone grey, SMB pop-top, on 33"s
"Blood stains, speed kills - Fast cars, cheap thrills - Rich girls, fine wine - I've lost my sense, I've lost control, I've lost my mind" |
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Merian Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:21 am Post subject: |
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| another thing about eggs is that if you get local fresh eggs, they can be stored at room temp. no need to take cooler/fridge space. |
not for long! |
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syncrswim Samba Member
Joined: January 03, 2015 Posts: 14 Location: Austin TX
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:52 am Post subject: |
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| Dhaavers, thanks for interpreting. I thought I was being clever. Seems like I'd learn.... |
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Birdcage Samba Member
Joined: November 06, 2013 Posts: 203 Location: Collins of fort
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:43 am Post subject: |
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When we travel it's normally a new place every night and cleaning up sucks. Water is valuable when out for months at a time with kids and a dog, so doing dishes is something we try not to do.
for things that don't ooze everywhere we line the pans with foil to cook meats and veggies, simply toss it when done, no mess
Hard boiled eggs are essential, we do a couple dozen before we head out and while traveling we do a dozen at a time typically at night so we can use the boiled water to make ramen/noodles or whatever else takes water to hydrate so it's not wasted.
We also make meals in large batches and freeze them before we head out it's easy to toss the bag into the egg water and heat up, same for scrambled eggs, sauces, etc. boil in bag works great. And easy to eat from
We use to get excited about all the new camping gadgets, holders for spices, camp kitchens, and all the rest of the BS we see at expos. After trying most of it and wasting tons of money we learned 90% of it sucks. Setting up, packing up, excess weight. Now everything we take or add on to the vehicle is multi purpose
we travel light and efficient as possible and still rock out meals That look and taste like their from a professional kitchen. Granted a little prep beforehand helps |
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dhaavers Samba Member

Joined: March 19, 2010 Posts: 8542 Location: NE MN (tinyurl.com/dhaaverslocation)
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:44 am Post subject: |
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x2 _________________ 86 White Wolfsburg Westy Weekender
"The WonderVan"
<EDITED TO PROTECT INNOCENT PIXELS> |
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campism Samba Member
Joined: September 07, 2007 Posts: 4720 Location: Richmond VA
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| Well, who reads the subject line? I thought it came from the blue too. |
Subject line should be in bold anyway in order to attract notice. Can forum code be altered to do this, or is it hard-coded? I seldom use it when posting and never look for it otherwise when reading. _________________ '87 Westy in Wolfram Grey Metallic, tragically crushed by a falling hickory tree in my own driveway and now gone, leaving me Vanagonless and with no plans to replace it, alas. |
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jimf909 Samba Member

Joined: April 03, 2014 Posts: 8277 Location: WA/ID
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:21 am Post subject: |
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Well, who reads the subject line? I thought it came from the blue too. _________________ - Jim
| Butcher wrote: |
| This is the main fault with DIY'ers, they get together on these forums and pat themselves on their backs spreading bad information. |
Guilty as charged.
Current: 1990 Westy Camper - Bostig RG4, 2wd, manual trans w/Peloquin, NAHT high-top, 280 ah LFP battery, 160 watts solar, Flash Silver, seam rust, bondo, etc., etc.
Past: 1985 Westy Camper - 1.9 wbx, 2wd, manual trans, Merian Brown, (sold after 17 years to Northwesty who converted it to a Syncro). |
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dhaavers Samba Member

Joined: March 19, 2010 Posts: 8542 Location: NE MN (tinyurl.com/dhaaverslocation)
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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:55 am Post subject: |
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There it is:
_________________ 86 White Wolfsburg Westy Weekender
"The WonderVan"
<EDITED TO PROTECT INNOCENT PIXELS> |
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