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janerick3
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| Tortie wrote: |
That center seam fan shroud would seem to me to be almost in the same category as the hub caps. I've never seen one for sale, ever.
The earlier, unrestored pictues show a different engine configuration, at least with later air cleaners, an oil filter, voltage regulator, oil filler, and the more common fan shroud. |
When Bob Heller owned 5014, the engine in it was a 1500 Normal.
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That center seam fan shroud would seem to me to be almost in the same category as the hub caps. I've never seen one for sale, ever.
The earlier, unrestored pictues show a different engine configuration, at least with later air cleaners, an oil filter, voltage regulator, oil filler, and the more common fan shroud. |
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John Paterek made an interesting presentation about the restoration of that Cab at the Registry's 2006 Mystic, CT, Holiday.
The hubcaps were the REAL "unobtanium" and made with a special die set to create the rings seen in the "baby moons" pictured in this thread, unfortunately making even them "unoriginal."
There were many other compromises due to worn, missing or broken parts.
I have many (film) pictures of Bob Heller (seen in his typical squatting position in one photo) taken when that rat was driven cross-country to Holidays like Indy in '77.
Later, Bob was known for offering a set price to replace the floor in your 356. The story I heard was that Bob's wife required attention to some sort of medical condition and 5014/5015 went to Stu Zeh and on to Paterek's shop for the gonzo resto. Yes, Joris, I also heard that when transferred to the museum, it was re-restored after a trans "problem" which lit the fuse.
Often, the more money poured into a restoration is the inverse of the enjoyment of the restored car. Bob Heller likely had the right idea...just drive it 'til ya can't drive it anymore.
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roy mawbey
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Wow, now that is an interesting thread. I did hear about the car returning back to Germany but knew nothing of its history. Enjoyed the photo's!
I wonder where they located the engine not many spare ones of those around I guess.
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TK6A5
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I also know of their reputation. Perhaps the owner did now want to spend the extra $$$ to have the metal work corrected. All I know is that the car was completely restored again in Germany/Austria after it was purchased by Dr. Porsche. If I remember correctly there were also problems with the transmission. Next time I talk to my friend I will ask him the particulars.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 7:13 am Post subject: Re: 356 |
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The Paterek Brothers, Chatham NJ (John and Ray) did the restoration to exacting standards. I remember them mentioning that they had to make, from scratch, 4 hub caps since none were available either used or repopped.
Stuart Zeh has owned many Concours Porsches and spares no expense in restorations. This car was no exception. Just plain stunning. I was glad I had a chance to see it before it went to the Porsche Museum.
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After Dr. Porsche acquired the car it was completely restored again. I was shown pictures of the car in bare metal by a friend of mine and they were not pretty......... shiny paint and bling chrome work can hide a lot of things. It was very clear that expenses were spared on the metal work. |
TK6A5 (name?)
Are you saying the Paterek's did not do a good job? I find that hard to believe given their reputation.
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TK6A5
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| Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2012 6:14 am Post subject: Re: 356 |
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The Paterek Brothers, Chatham NJ (John and Ray) did the restoration to exacting standards. I remember them mentioning that they had to make, from scratch, 4 hub caps since none were available either used or repopped.
Stuart Zeh has owned many Concours Porsches and spares no expense in restorations. This car was no exception. Just plain stunning. I was glad I had a chance to see it before it went to the Porsche Museum.
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Dave,
After Dr. Porsche acquired the car it was completely restored again. I was shown pictures of the car in bare metal by a friend of mine and they were not pretty......... shiny paint and bling chrome work can hide a lot of things. It was very clear that expenses were spared on the metal work. |
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tisius
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| Porsche rebodied it as a coupe? |
haha, i hope not 
That picture better be of a different car! 
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| Yes, the car in the video is not the same as the cabriolet. My father, the late Dan Levinson, purchased the 5014 from Fred Vosselman and years later sold it to Bob Heller in Westport. It appeared as it did in the photos at Bob's house, silver w/ a blue stripe. and the buckles on the hood. It was in our Westport garage for most of my very early childhood, during the 1970s. |
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Unobtanium-inc
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| Yeah, I don't think cost was an option on this one, I remember hearing a story of Stuart flying with his mechanic to go see Dr. Brett Johnson's cab, so they could make sure they ran the brake lines right. |
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bruce jones
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Jacks
You have a better eye then me. This is confusing - the car in the video is clearly a coupe, and the car I remember from 30 years ago was a cabrio. Somehow I completely missed that when I watched the video. Maybe there are two 1950 Porsches in the museum, both black (and both evidently having the same rear tag number). Strange.
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Bleyseng
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It looked nice when I saw it there.
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Bruce
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| ....if it was silver originally it should have stayed silver, that car is way too special to mess with details like that. |
However, when a car is as rare as this one, it doesn't matter what wrong colour it is, the value doesn't change. After all, you can't go out and buy another car that's the correct colour.
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dcheek
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I was an entrant with my 914 at the 50th Anniversary Porsche Parade in Hershey PA where this 356 was shown. In attendance was the Porsche family, Peter, Wolfgang and sons. The Paterek Brothers, Chatham NJ (John and Ray) did the restoration to exacting standards. I remember them mentioning that they had to make, from scratch, 4 hub caps since none were available either used or repopped. Also, Ray had to call in the chap that taught him how to do convertible tops to recreate an exact duplicate since the original top was toast. Cost? Don't ask. This one was off the scale. As mentioned earlier it was sold to Porsche and I think it was in the 7 figures. It was a stunning car to view first hand, mainly due to its simplicity and basic design.
Stuart Zeh has owned many Concours Porsches and spares no expense in restorations. This car was no exception. Just plain stunning. I was glad I had a chance to see it before it went to the Porsche Museum.
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Yes, the photos were taken at Bob's place in Westport. Here are a couple more:
It seems to me the '50 VW belonged to someone named Allen. Bob was doing some sort of work on it.
Thanks for the update on the Porsche. |
Wow, that car is the nuts ! I would love it restored or unrestored, whats the deal with the blue stripe on the unrestored version, anyone know roughly when that was likely applied ?
I will say though if it was silver originally it should have stayed silver, that car is way too special to mess with details like that. |
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| Oh, OK. So, what happened to the steering wheel? |
I've got it! 
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| ....damn that is one expensive steering wheel. |
No it's not. That's just his fantasy price. Notice how there are no offers? Come back in a couple of months, it will still be there. Along with his other overpriced stuff that never sells.
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| Oh, OK. So, what happened to the steering wheel? |
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Michael Rogers
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I knew I had seen one of those Petri supurb steering wheels somewhere! Check out this listing on ebay....damn that is one expensive steering wheel. That car would have not come with that wheel it was added at some point, not that there is anything wrong with that because it is an era correct wheel for that car.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PETRI-SUPERB-RAREST-ALL-ST...56487bd2f2 |
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