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busdaddy
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 Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2024 3:50 pm Post subject: Re: type-4 heat shield |
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I think the notch is to clear an EGR pipe, I doubt it'll make much difference in air flow or heat blocking.
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Boesen
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| vw76westy wrote: |
i thought it would be pretty cool to add
the type-4 heatshield to this thread
thats 411 -412 type-4
as you can see its the exact same size only without the notch on the end
i have not checked to see if it will fit in a bus, since it does not have the notch
i guess this will be the unofficial thread for type 4 heatshields
are there any others out there that are almost but not quite the same
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On the drivers side my current one is getting pretty wasted away from rust and years of use. No end pinch on mine and it’s begun to separate the layers. I had a friend recently give me the non notched 411 style one in great shape. He thought it was the same as mine and I didn’t know there even was a difference all these years. Comparing the two (the notched one in my Bus-79 Federal) what does the purpose of the notch even do. It looks and measures as if the longer one will fit. It looks like it will clear the shroud on that side just fine. I don’t have a Catalytic Converter there. I just don’t want to block any air flow if that’s the purpose of using a notched one. Anyone used the non notched one on a Bus before?
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aeromech
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| Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: type-4 heat shield |
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I’ve seen many missing heat shields that never started a fire. So, maybe you have a non standard exhaust causing this or something else?
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npalmer76
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| Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2020 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: type-4 heat shield |
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My 78 was missing this heat shield and the engine compartment seal when I got it.
I replaced the engine compartment seal of course, but not the heat shield.
Driving around on a hot day, I smelled something funny, like plastic burning and got out and ran to the back to see what was up right quick.
The engine seal was one fire at the lowest point and was melting a hole the plastic fan guard. I was able to rip the engine seal out and toss it away before the whole engine caught fire.
I believe the missing heat shield contributed to the engine seal lighting on fire. Never ever happened on my '77 with the heat shield. |
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aeromech
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| Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: type-4 heat shield |
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There another 6m bolt at the bottom of the pulley dip. The bolt goes vertical from the bottom. With the engine installed with a muffler, it makes getting that bolt out very difficult
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SGKent 
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| Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: type-4 heat shield |
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| The Fez wrote: |
Found this useful thread when I discovered that my heat shield had corroded to the point where if 'fell off' the left hand tin screw and was resting on the muffler. Lots of great info and debate regarding whether or not to have one. I decided that I would trust the VW engineers.
The only bit of information that I want to add to this thread (just in case anyone else is looking to find out as I did search everywhere to no avail - including Bentley) is how to remove said shield with the engine in situ. At first I thought that I would have to remove the muffler, but as Atwell states, the nuts are a bear to remove. I then figured out that all you need to do is remove the three tin pieces from above and then easily remove the heat shield. I feel like a stable genius. It should be an easy task except the PO at some point used gasket sealer on the tin surfaces. |
use time warp solvent to roll time back to before the PO put the sealer on. 
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The Fez
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| Posted: Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:29 pm Post subject: Re: type-4 heat shield |
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Found this useful thread when I discovered that my heat shield had corroded to the point where if 'fell off' the left hand tin screw and was resting on the muffler. Lots of great info and debate regarding whether or not to have one. I decided that I would trust the VW engineers.
The only bit of information that I want to add to this thread (just in case anyone else is looking to find out as I did search everywhere to no avail - including Bentley) is how to remove said shield with the engine in situ. At first I thought that I would have to remove the muffler, but as Atwell states, the nuts are a bear to remove. I then figured out that all you need to do is remove the three tin pieces from above and then easily remove the heat shield. I feel like a stable genius. It should have been an easy task except the PO at some point used gasket sealer on the tin surfaces.
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aeromech
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:47 pm Post subject: Re: type-4 heat shield |
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I wouldn't worry about asbestos killing you. The cabinet ventilates into a filter system and you shouldn't be exposed to it.
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Wildthings
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 12:43 pm Post subject: Re: type-4 heat shield |
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| Martaskukla wrote: |
I took mine out yesterday and as expected it has lots of surface rust. I am going with more parts to a place where you media blast yourself. My concern is what is inside between the layers of metal sheet? Is that some sort of asbestos?
And if it is, Is it safe to media blast (of course assuming I wont be blasting directly into the gap) in enclosed blasting box? |
When I redid mine I just left the stuff out. In this particular instance I doubt the bit of extra insulation makes much difference. Hot air is going to get above the heat shield no matter what so all the shield can do is block the radiant heat. |
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Magion
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| Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:44 am Post subject: Re: type-4 heat shield |
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I took mine out yesterday and as expected it has lots of surface rust. I am going with more parts to a place where you media blast yourself. My concern is what is inside between the layers of metal sheet? Is that some sort of asbestos?
And if it is, Is it safe to media blast (of course assuming I wont be blasting directly into the gap) in enclosed blasting box?
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| Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:39 pm Post subject: 039 119 227 type 4 exhaust heat shield |
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Figured I'd post this here for posterity instead of starting a thread. Just got my heat shield from CIP1, so here are some crappy flip phone photos:
Was kind of surprised to see a Jopex Group sticker on there. I'm wondering if these are new production or old stock of something they no longer make?
The quality looks ok, thick gauge metal, welds on the brackets, etc.
Th one thing I noticed right away was in the pics I've seen of the OG shields it looks like two pieces of metal, with insulation or something between, and one side folded over the other, then spot welded. This piece looks to be just two identical pieces of metal with many spot welds all the way around, doesn't look to have that insulation between the two. Comes with thee old shop wear resistant paint on it. I will strip, paint with VHT and bake ASAP.
Anyways, here are the part numbers:
OG VW: 039 119 227
Jopex/JP Group: 8182600500
Barcode sku: 5710412426361
Made in Denmark
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SGKent
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| Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 11:34 am Post subject: Re: type-4 heat shield |
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| 1975 Kombi wrote: |
| Just throwing another idea out there but wouldn't header tape wrapping the muffler be a better way of keeping the heat in the muffler and while your at it wrap the entire heater boxes and pipes. |
if you do some searching you will find that the biggest complaint about header tape is that it causes massive rust due to trapped moisture. I have no experience with it as we always ran our headers bare, but there are hundreds of articles and posts from people who say the rust is real.
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1975 Kombi
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| Posted: Sat Dec 19, 2015 10:48 am Post subject: Re: type-4 heat shield |
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Just throwing another idea out there but wouldn't header tape wrapping the muffler be a better way of keeping the heat in the muffler and while your at it wrap the entire heater boxes and pipes.
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| My CHT's (DD) are running the same as before I installed my heat shield this spring. |
I wouldn't expect to find much difference in the head temps, heat shield or no. What I would expect to find and have found is a difference in how long the foam gasket lasts. |
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| Thanks for the info Tom! |
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My CHT's (DD) are running the same as before I installed my heat shield this spring.
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| Still running the DD's Colin? |
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| So what is the consensus on these? Anyone running DD's and has real time data? |
You will survive either way. My bus is still wearing its factory shield and always will be. Is it better? I dont know, but that is how it has always been and that is how it is always will be until someone can prove that it is bad. Maybe I will do some testing since I do have one of those temp guns  Stay tuned, I might do some testing. I will have to do the exact same drive twice at the same speed which might be difficult but we should get a general idea
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