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jeffrey8164
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 Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 2:50 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI has there own cams are they china junk |
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IMO if after all these years, EMPI can’t even make cylinder tins correctly, I have no faith in the brand whatsoever!
The only thing EMPI on my Ghia is the wheels and as soon as someone else comes out with a 5.5” wheel with 5” offset I’ll replace those.
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Ohio Tom
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| Posted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 6:45 am Post subject: Re: EMPI has there own cams are they china junk |
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Steve Long will use any blank you ask for.
Commonly the "Scat" SC-1 blank if he can get them.
More recently he has been using another blank that appears to be the same as a Scat.
I Only use Steve Long cams and lifters.
That's just me who doesn't like motors coming back.. |
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UK Luke 72
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Ebel
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| Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 5:20 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI has there own cams are they china junk |
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| If you have the cams you should know what blanks they use. No one can tell you what yours are ground on. There are multiple types and some companies use them or have in the past or will still use different ones. You need to read it. If it says Cwc ep12 that’s what it is. I haven’t bought any in years but that used to be a common one. I don’t remember the other types offhand. But mine were always cwc. It was cast into the blank between the bearings and lobes. I don’t know what empi uses. Never bought one. |
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wheel607
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| Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 3:26 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI has there own cams are they china junk |
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| I have used a SLR (Steve Long cam) in my last two motors with no problems. Can somebody tell me what blanks he uses for his grinds. |
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GEO MILL BAJA
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| Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:40 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI has there own cams are they china junk |
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 HELLO, does any one have any idea where can I find the exact specs for a camshaft gear , like DP pitch, or if it is metric module, I need all gear specs in order to fabricate my own for a reverse engineering and performance change on my vw engine, and if a succeed I may share those, thanks for your time |
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GhiaShift
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I guess it's a supply and demand scenario.
People demand cheap crap and hey that is exactly what they get which is a pity because now the more hardcore vee dubbers can't get any decent parts because the companies who can produce the better stuff don't bother. |
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ErcseRacing
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| So long as you have "White Collar" parts whore houses and dumb newbies buying from them Empi will reign supreme with the cheap crap. Not to mention the fly by night shops who will fit and sell any parts to put the dollars in their pockets |
People are cheap as it is and dont have a clue about the quality of the parts they are buying. Its not the shops that sell the part to put a dollar in their pocket, its what people are buying. Thats how it works unfortunately and no one else has the same line as that four letter word does. |
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GhiaShift
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| So long as you have "White Collar" parts whore houses and dumb newbies buying from them Empi will reign supreme with the cheap crap. Not to mention the fly by night shops who will fit and sell any parts to put the dollars in their pockets |
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spencerfvee
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sure they will . hay darth went drag raceing jan 1st at drag way 42 here in ohio it was the hang over nats. it was a warm day only 27 degs out no wind 8 inchs snow on the ground the track cleaned off the snow on the track to the 1/8 mile you could not go any faster than 20.13 about 300 cars trucks showed up to race . i brought my new mazda 3... 5 speed man. trans to race well the fist run the track. control . went nuts i hit second gear the track. control went nuts again i hit 3rd gear and went a 22.second run 1/4 mile yes we were running 1/4 ... after the 1/8 mile i was on hard parked snow that was like a ice rink.. i taped the brake and skided 50 feet that was a rush . then i got the hang of it... i was beating 4 wheel drive trucks all wheel drive cars and jeeps .. i ran most of the time 20.16 to 20.25. i was trying to get a 20.13 the trick was to get into 3rd gear buy the 1/8 mile and then hold on when i hit the snow i was doing from 60mph to 71mph on ice snow .... no one got hurt most of ohio guys know how to drive on ice and snow roads . i got beat by a honda ... i went over 2013 i had him all the way but the car hooked good off the line it was a blast . at the end the temp droped to 16 degs. well darth thats what we do in the winter here in ohio for fun lol later spencerfvee quote="DarthWeber"]SSSSSHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
In ten years those will be Classic cams and worth a FORTUNE!!![/quote] |
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DarthWeber
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SSSSSHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
In ten years those will be Classic cams and worth a FORTUNE!!!
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| Swapped the Compufire for a Bosch blue and some points I had sitting around, started 1st crank. Took her out for a drive, pulls harder, more RPM, and runs smoother. I think I'll be sticking with points from now on. |
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| JB weld the case halves....that'll keep the fretting to a minimum. |
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Dave
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Come on, Spencer, break out one of those NOS, made in Riverside, come in a blue and orange box, REAL EMPI cams I know you have in your stash of collectible EMPI stuff... 
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spencerfvee
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| Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 2:43 pm Post subject: Re: EMPI has there own cams are they china junk |
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allso the cam gears fits kind of lose on the EMPI cams to me theres nothing better than a eengle cam ...
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| update where i buy my vw parts started selling EMPI cams . out of 7 cams they had to send 3 cams back to EMPI because the side clearance was 10 thousands when you installed the cam in the thrust cam bearing .that was on two of the EMPI cams the 3rd EMPI cam the center cam bearing was ground with a 6 thousands taper that stopped middle ..where the cam bearing would be if you buy one make sure you look it over real good my self i am never going to buy a EMPI cam spencerfvee......... i see EMPI has come out with there own cams . are they china junk or are they good . ?? looks to me that there ground the same as engle cams . i see EMPI does not sell engle cams any more .i wonder why lol .. to me i want the real deal when i buy a cam not some china look a like cam . how do you guys feal real deal cam or a china cam ?? spencerfvee |
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ErcseRacing
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| 57baja - Yes. |
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57baja
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bugnut68
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| SoCal Imports wrote: |
Thanks to all the input to the whole Engle Cam's/EMPI knock off controversy.
I would like to set some things straight:
As of approximately 10 days ago, I stopped selling EMPI any of our Engle products. I will not continue to support a vendor that copies our product!
NO, Engle Cams has no connection to these cheep China cams.
NO, Glenn(Mr 010) Engle Cams have never been made in China, never has been made on blanks that come from China, and as long as I have anything to do with Engle, will never be...nough said about that!
YES, Engle cams continue to be made on blanks made in America, cast in America from iron ore from America and machined here in America. The only exception is that we do use some blanks that are made in a factory in Japan. This Japanese blank is from a foundry that make the OE Japanese car companies cams. The reason is that these lobes are larger for our bigger lifts. This is nothing new, Engle has done this for over 15 years! In fact, the last time I saw a Web cam it was ground on this same blank.
When I purchased the Engle Cams Company, it was on the verge of Bankruptcy. We have kept this alive for all of us VW lovers. Thanks for all of the support that you have given!
The best way to keep Engle strong is to not buy the knock of stuff!
If there are questions, you have my ear. I am here to support this amazing hobby!
Thanks
Andy Shouse
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So Cal Imports, Inc
Engle Racing Cams
TriMil Racing Exhaust
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Curious Andy....
Since IAP has knocked off your camshaft line as well, even going so far as calling them 100, 110, etc in their advertising, have you ceased to do business with them too?
http://www.iapperformance.com/K-hltek-Motorwerks-I-1-Camshaft-p3297.html |
Not seeing this type of ID that you reported on the IAP cams, at least not at the link provided? |
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19super73
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mark tucker
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| elgin or engle??I didnt know elgin moved out west. |
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bluebus86
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Elgin cams is top notch, california based company second generation,and they know VW, they only appear to sell top rate stuff, are very knowlegable on phone call advice, nice folks to deal with.
I have three of their cams in my cars, very good. they know their stuff.
Of course california might be more communist than red china these days.  |
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mark tucker
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| ALB wrote: |
| SoCal Imports wrote: |
Thanks to all the input to the whole Engle Cam's/EMPI knock off controversy.
I would like to set some things straight:.... |
Thank you Andy for giving us the scoop straight from the source. I applaud you for keeping Engle as American made as possible. How receptive are you guys to doing custom grinds? Al |
they made me one at an awassom deal.call chris & talk to him at engle.there great guys to deal with. |
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