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 Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2023 6:39 am Post subject: Re: Project 66 Daily Driver. |
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No, the Beetle/Type 1 FI engine had 33 mm intake valves; the exh valves were either 30 or 32 mm. However, the exh valves had 9 mm diameter stems whereby the usual 32 mm carb-engine valves had 8 mm stems. https://vwparts.aircooled.net/Intake-Valve-33-x-8-x-112mm-113-109-601D-p/113-109-601d.htm
Tom Wilson's book "How to rebuild your VW air cooled engine" has a reference chart of cylinder heads. He lists the FI heads and notes that the left one had the temperature sensor boss. The right one does not. P/N for the right head without the boss is 043 101 375R.
Aircooled.net also lists that the 33 mm intake valve was also fitted to the 1966 1300 single-port engine, though that had the 8 mm valve stem. When you take your intake valves out of this head, if you measure the head diameters, likely the one on the left in your photo will be 33 mm and the right will be 35.5 mm. If I view them correctly.
Happy New Year, and looking forward to seeing you in person at a CVA event- hopefully with your engine back together and running well. |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2022 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: Project 66 Daily Driver. |
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Glad you are doing some work on the engine, even if it's 1/2 year after your last post. Last time I laid hands on an engine project was Sept. 2021... 
In your engine case photo above, is that just a loosely fitting dust shield at the crank pulley area which will be removed when you fit the pulley?
This photo of your one head- looks like the intake valves are different sizes- such as a fuel injected engine's 33 mm vs carb engine 35.5 mm? |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2022 12:05 pm Post subject: Re: Project 66 Daily Driver. |
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| The Terrivile Bug A Fair is in a few days and there is no way in hell this will be together for it or probably this season now |
How about some motivation, EA?
Back in the summer 2004, my '70 Fastback engine was completely apart the week before The Type 3 Invasion at Hershey, PA. Starting that Monday evening, I thrashed the remaining days after work to get it back together and installed. The day before I drove off, went for a 20 mile "shakedown" drive on local roads and highway. Adjusted the valves very early the next morning before leaving, and it made the 3 hr trip there* (and back) with no problems. But by the time I started the reassembly, my heads were already clean and the cylinders lapped into the combustion chambers. I had already converted the engine to dual carbs.
You have a few days less to do the work, but less work overall because you only have the engine down to the short block.
*Air-Cooled Head's photo from that event; mine's the 3rd one back on the left row.
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That's and amazing story, and I bet someone there this weekend will be doing that!
As for me I never ordered a single other part once I got wise to the scam on the cylinder heads let alone another set of heads. I tried to stay positive thinking they were coming one day....... no communication from the seller since April.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: Project 66 Daily Driver. |
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| The Terrivile Bug A Fair is in a few days and there is no way in hell this will be together for it or probably this season now |
How about some motivation, EA?
Back in the summer 2004, my '70 Fastback engine was completely apart the week before The Type 3 Invasion at Hershey, PA. Starting that Monday evening, I thrashed the remaining days after work to get it back together and installed. The day before I drove off, went for a 20 mile "shakedown" drive on local roads and highway. Adjusted the valves very early the next morning before leaving, and it made the 3 hr trip there* (and back) with no problems. But by the time I started the reassembly, my heads were already clean and the cylinders lapped into the combustion chambers. I had already converted the engine to dual carbs.
You have a few days less to do the work, but less work overall because you only have the engine down to the short block.
*Air-Cooled Head's photo from that event; mine's the 3rd one back on the left row.
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| Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2022 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: Project 66 Daily Driver. |
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Today's progress. |
So no progress to report . 😕
I ordered a set of if heads in January and got nothing but stories. The Terrivile Bug A Fair is in a few days and there is no way in hell this will be together for it or probably this season now . I lost motivation to even bother at this point but them heads are not coming. It was a scam . I ordered them from a company that has a bad reputation, thought I would give them a chance but got screwed instead. Currently going through PayPal to recoup my money.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2021 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: Project 66 Daily Driver. |
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The car was already a sleeper, it's a 1600 but says 1300 on the deck lid. Nobody suspected a thing 😁😆
These were Nipon P&Cs. when I got the car they came with one of the boxes of parts. NOS but they were stored outside so had some rust on them and I just ran em as is. They actually look pretty good still. The heads were acquired in a trade of VW videos originally from a junk yard motor.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: Project 66 Daily Driver. |
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| I am planning to swap to a slightly bigger valve head too |
Are your current heads still original 1300 heads, with the 113 part number? If so, remember that the 87 mm cylinders won't fit into those heads' combustion chambers- the cylinder outer diameters are too big. Same situation with stock 85.5 mm cylinders- you need to bore the chambers to the larger diameter of the 85.5 & 87's. If your other heads are 1500 or 1600 SP heads with the slightly larger valves and the 311 P/N, then those chambers are already the right size for either the 85.5 or the 87's. Though I;'d recommend lapping the cylinder tops into each chamber. Do by hand or use a tool like I made out of a toilet bowl plunger that works on a cordless drill.
Reusing old German hardware- maybe 15 yrs ago I bought a dishwashing plastic bin full of dirty hardware for maybe $5 at a larger VW swap meet. I sorted the HW as to fastener sizes, then put them into old yogurt containers with lids. Washed each container's contents in carb cleaner, rinsed with water, laid them out on paper towel to air-dry, then sprayed WD-40 over them so that it displaced the water and gave them some protection. Ended up with about 7 different containers. When I'd need some, I chased their threads with the corresponding tap and cleaned off strong rust on a brass wire wheel bench grinder. I can't stand seeing generic HW store "modern style" bolts with the heads that have the raised ridge around them, on our old VWs... |
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:30 pm Post subject: Re: Project 66 Daily Driver. |
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Based on the evidence of leakage at all four cylinders, you're not running a thermostat I presume?
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| Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2021 8:09 am Post subject: Re: Project 66 Daily Driver. |
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Ha and I thought I was being cheap cleaning up the old hardware! You and I know they don't make hardware like that old German stuff today. I got s9 many negative comments by pointing out that someone was using non automotive hardware on their sping plates (later model beetle) and I said just get ahold of some German bolts for it. It's out there and plentiful. But I wouldn't worry about it, it's just suspension parts. No biggie. Lol
I need to get my vacuum sealer back from the wife . I pack parts in homemade bags and section things off that way too. It has worked out great.
Last night I did take the number 3 and 4 head off. I was expecting a cracked head, burnt valve or broken ring. Nothing. No smoking gun yet. I should mention that oil is making it past the rings though. Kinda sad these heads look OK cause I am planning to swap to a slightly bigger valve head too. Oh well spare heads it is then. They are German. The one thing that I did find was the push rods have been rubbing on the push rod tubes. The ends of the tubes got bent on installation it seems. So push rod tubes are in order.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 26, 2021 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: Project 66 Daily Driver. |
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| If you've not yet thought about this, I recommend rounding up several clear plastic containers such as from holiday candies, that have a lid. Dedicate each for certain engine component fasteners, such as "case perimeter", "heads", "rods", "rockers", etc. Put the lid on each batch at the end of your workshop time that day. I also suggest cleaning the existing fasteners and reusing them, rather than spending for new ones unless the original ones are really rough. Solvent and brass bristle brush to clean them up; chase threads with the corresponding tap or die. You only need a few metric sizes for the VW such as M8 x 1.25, M6 x 1.0, M10 x 1.5. Tedious work but once you reassemble and have those OG fasteners that spin on easily with your fingers, you'll be glad you saved them. |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 8:15 pm Post subject: Re: Project 66 Daily Driver. |
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Wow that intake came out really nice! CB performance makes one and said it adds HP. Maybe but it's new lol .
Well the low down on this engine so far is it's going to be a 1641 instead of the 1600 it was. The Nipon pistons and cylinders were NOS but they were kinda rusty when I put them in almost 10 years back so I expect them to be no good anyhow. I am thinking about duel carburetors and whatever may be worn out. I have another block if needed too. My son and I may tear into this weekend.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:54 am Post subject: Re: Project 66 Daily Driver. |
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Aha, the "voyage of discovery". Will you plan any upgrades, or just replace what's worn out/low spec? Either way, this will be a very interesting experience for you and maybe also your son.
This might help you for your intake manifold- https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=718710&highlight=manifold |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2021 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: Project 66 Daily Driver. |
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Steve keep going with that weather and Ill go with Enfield England if it is better!
Beetlebaum tks for the kind words!
Late entry
Forgot to add this to the thread.
November 22 I had the opportunity to participate in the shooting for an independent film. The movie was to take place in the early 80s and I figured A- Bomb looks like this car might of by then. That is the last time it was on the road. It was in Rockville Ct, only twenty minutes from me. Not a lot of money to do it but I figured it would be fun and they had breakfast and lunch for us. I was kind of hoping it would be kind of like a mini car show and it was. I was also fortunate to be joined by another CVA member. You can see his car in the foreground of one of the pictures. They had us park them for some scenes and also drive by in the background for others. This wasn't a big production so when we were driving in the background they had people to hit the crosswalk buttons to stop traffic a little so only our old cars would show up in the background.
They also had period correct plates!
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I totally forgot to add this screen shot my buddy did a few years back from the movie. It is called Sweet Sweet Lonely Girl. I was able to watch it on the Shudder Channel.
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