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1967250s
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First- does it run? If so, how does it run? Brakes, trans?
No, then a whole 'nother set of advice.
What shape is the rest of the car? Pics? |
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busdaddy
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......BUT you got to know when you get it wrong so ask questions you will get poked at from time to time you mite need a thick skin its part of the learning curve  . |
Absolutely!, but if you already have the balls to take on a 40 year old vehicle having a thick skin is a prerequisite, if you can't handle the odd (usually) good natured poke you'll be SOL on the side of the road 
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Joeys1969
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Whoops, didn't even read the year, I assumed it was a later model bay. 
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bigbore
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| People seem to over look the fact that not everybody can be a mechanic even a basic one none of us know this person skill level or ability to "get it" if you want to call it that. I get tiered of seeing on here oh just get a Bentley and you will become a great mechanic well not everybody can do it. Sorry Iam done now its been a LONG WINTER up here it snowed ANOTHER foot and half last weekend and now its 0 outside ok so DoctorP what is your skill level? do you have a set of tools? |
I agree with bigbore completely! Not everybody is cut out to work on cars. I've been working on my bug since I was 15 with the help of my dad(and many of thesamba members) and now I am 20. I feel pretty confident in myself to work on my own cars now but still love it when my dads out there to help me along the way if I get stuck(and also use thesamba members and pick theirs brains too!). My dads the best teacher I could ever ask for.
So if you're trying to learn how to work on cars, I say get a buddy or someone you can trust to help you out and show you the way!
Joey |
I agree with both of you but disagree too, there has been some really useless mechanics here that sucked it up and figured it out with a little guidance, the defining factor is they asked questions and followed instructions, you can't learn if you don't try. Without a doubt there's a few who will never get it and are dangerous with a wrench (some still try sadly), most of that group seem to fit the mold of the person who opens the box with the new toy and tosses the instructions aside with the rest of the packing. It all depends on how driven you are and if you can take pictures, ask questions and then follow the advice given.
I can't recall specific users or threads right now but I recall 6 or 8 members that couldn't find the dipstick when they got thier bus yet now when they say thier dwell or valves are set properly I completely believe them, skills come with experience and how you handle it. |
Very true BD you can't learn if you don't try BUT you got to know when you get it wrong so ask questions you will get poked at from time to time you mite need a thick skin its part of the learning curve .
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ser123ser
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Just get the Manuel's, get the Meir book for the basic love of vws. Then just doe your own tune ups. Plugs points, cap rotor, wires, oil change.... Then go for the big one ..... Adjust your own valves....
Then learn how to time the eng....
Now if you get thru that stuff, you will feel pretty much like a god..... Then you go from there, read a lot of stuff, emerse yourself in all things VW...become obsessed, buy only brand name quality tools as you need them. Get a tool box, keep em clean and orgainized.
Make a list of little things to do and work your way thru it and drive the bus...
Good luck and stay on the samba and ask questions...
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busdaddy
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A 73 would have come with a 1700 and twin Solex PDSIT's, FI didn't happen for a couple more years on buses but it's not impossible to add it.
Plan A is confirm it has good compression on all 4 cylinders, installing a progressive says the PO was too lazy or stupid to deal with the worn throttle shafts on the original dual carbs and that may reflect on all of thier maintenance practices in general. No valve adjustments, improperly set timing, poor jetting, lack of oil changes or leaking manifold boots can burn out valves or pistons or worse, all the tuning in the world won't fix that. If the bottom end and cylinders are sound the rest is just basic trial and error tuning.
And good for you for diving in, it's likely you can't make it much worse than it already is (or may be) 
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Wildthings
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A '73 would have come with dual Solex carbs. The system worked well enough new, but didn't age all that well and a very high percentage of early Type 4 Bays were converted to centermount progressives. In a warm place like Texas you should be able to get a progressive to run fairly well without too much effort or cost.
CB Performance sells a replacement set of dual Solex carbs, but I have no experience with them and there are a variety of other dual carbs that can be fitted. A lot of what makes a set of dual work well is the linkage. If you go the dual carb route spend extra for a good linkage.
Only '75 and later engines came with fuel injection. It is actually not very hard to retrofit onto an earlier transporter, but you really want a nice complete donor to take the parts off of. |
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Joeys1969
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Thanks everyone for the advice! I'll leave the engine where it is. It sounds like the IV may be slightly harder to learn on but I am brave.
It sounds like I may want to deal with the carburetor first so long as the engine is otherwise in good shape. I heard that this engine had a fuel injector on it before that Progressive, but I'm not certain that's true. This is probably worthy of a whole different thread, but any suggestions on what to replace it with? If I get it back to original specification, what would that be? (And where can I find that kind of info in the future)
DP
P.S. Randy, I have the green Bently manual also; been reading it all evening! |
It did come with FI from the factory, and I've heard it's a pain to get the progressives to run on those motors. I have one on my 1600, but that's completely different.
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DoctorP
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Thanks everyone for the advice! I'll leave the engine where it is. It sounds like the IV may be slightly harder to learn on but I am brave.
It sounds like I may want to deal with the carburetor first so long as the engine is otherwise in good shape. I heard that this engine had a fuel injector on it before that Progressive, but I'm not certain that's true. This is probably worthy of a whole different thread, but any suggestions on what to replace it with? If I get it back to original specification, what would that be? (And where can I find that kind of info in the future)
DP
P.S. Randy, I have the green Bently manual also; been reading it all evening! |
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busdaddy
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| bigbore wrote: |
| People seem to over look the fact that not everybody can be a mechanic even a basic one none of us know this person skill level or ability to "get it" if you want to call it that. I get tiered of seeing on here oh just get a Bentley and you will become a great mechanic well not everybody can do it. Sorry Iam done now its been a LONG WINTER up here it snowed ANOTHER foot and half last weekend and now its 0 outside ok so DoctorP what is your skill level? do you have a set of tools? |
I agree with bigbore completely! Not everybody is cut out to work on cars. I've been working on my bug since I was 15 with the help of my dad(and many of thesamba members) and now I am 20. I feel pretty confident in myself to work on my own cars now but still love it when my dads out there to help me along the way if I get stuck(and also use thesamba members and pick theirs brains too!). My dads the best teacher I could ever ask for.
So if you're trying to learn how to work on cars, I say get a buddy or someone you can trust to help you out and show you the way!
Joey |
I agree with both of you but disagree too, there has been some really useless mechanics here that sucked it up and figured it out with a little guidance, the defining factor is they asked questions and followed instructions, you can't learn if you don't try. Without a doubt there's a few who will never get it and are dangerous with a wrench (some still try sadly), most of that group seem to fit the mold of the person who opens the box with the new toy and tosses the instructions aside with the rest of the packing. It all depends on how driven you are and if you can take pictures, ask questions and then follow the advice given.
I can't recall specific users or threads right now but I recall 6 or 8 members that couldn't find the dipstick when they got thier bus yet now when they say thier dwell or valves are set properly I completely believe them, skills come with experience and how you handle it.
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Joeys1969
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| People seem to over look the fact that not everybody can be a mechanic even a basic one none of us know this person skill level or ability to "get it" if you want to call it that. I get tiered of seeing on here oh just get a Bentley and you will become a great mechanic well not everybody can do it. Sorry Iam done now its been a LONG WINTER up here it snowed ANOTHER foot and half last weekend and now its 0 outside ok so DoctorP what is your skill level? do you have a set of tools? |
I agree with bigbore completely! Not everybody is cut out to work on cars. I've been working on my bug since I was 15 with the help of my dad(and many of thesamba members) and now I am 20. I feel pretty confident in myself to work on my own cars now but still love it when my dads out there to help me along the way if I get stuck(and also use thesamba members and pick theirs brains too!). My dads the best teacher I could ever ask for.
So if you're trying to learn how to work on cars, I say get a buddy or someone you can trust to help you out and show you the way!
Joey
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busdaddy
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| ......The 71 is the only year with a dual port type 1 engine, did earlier vw's have dual port type 1's? |
No. My 1970 has a single port.
Although I am going to replace it with a dual port this spring, then it will be, so maybe the question should be "did pre-71's come STOCK with a duel port". The answer is still no. 
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Did any vw's have the dual port prior to the 71 bus? |
Not from VW, but most get swapped in over the years.
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Red Fau Veh
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| ......The 71 is the only year with a dual port type 1 engine, did earlier vw's have dual port type 1's? |
No. My 1970 has a single port.
Although I am going to replace it with a dual port this spring, then it will be, so maybe the question should be "did pre-71's come STOCK with a duel port". The answer is still no.
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Did any vw's have the dual port prior to the 71 bus?
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Wildthings
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| If he has a chance to get a T1 bus instead of a T4, it will be easier to learn on. |
I'm not so sure, a type 4 with a single Weber isn't really too much different from a type 1, the Weber will add some challenges but basic diagnosis, maintenance and tune ups are really all the same. As long as it's got good compression and oil pressure there's no reason it can't be used to learn on, the oil sump plate is the only place that's really vulnerable to a noob, the rest is tougher than a type 1 and able to resist learning the hard way on a little better. Do buy a torque wrench and some manuals before your thumb even touches the decklid button |
2X, I prefer Type 4's because they require so little in the way of maintenance. |
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| ......The 71 is the only year with a dual port type 1 engine, did earlier vw's have dual port type 1's? |
No. My 1970 has a single port.
Although I am going to replace it with a dual port this spring, then it will be, so maybe the question should be "did pre-71's come STOCK with a duel port". The answer is still no.
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bigbore
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People seem to over look the fact that not everybody can be a mechanic even a basic one none of us know this person skill level or ability to "get it" if you want to call it that. I get tiered of seeing on here oh just get a Bentley and you will become a great mechanic well not everybody can do it. Sorry Iam done now its been a LONG WINTER up here it snowed ANOTHER foot and half last weekend and now its 0 outside ok so DoctorP what is your skill level? do you have a set of tools?
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chazz79
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I think the t4 is simpler and better laid out for a newb to understand. There are many hanging points to putting a t1 together. Push rod tubes and lifter replacement got 100x easier. head access and tin remival about equally crappy, but who doesn't love the spin on oil filter...yes t1's are only prefered because they're familiar and cheap
T4 is superior in every way to the t1 (other than parts cost)
T5 is superior to T4 for similar reasons.
it's called evolution.
I can only wonder what would've happened if vw stayed in the flat four bussiness.
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busdaddy
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| If he has a chance to get a T1 bus instead of a T4, it will be easier to learn on. |
I'm not so sure, a type 4 with a single Weber isn't really too much different from a type 1, the Weber will add some challenges but basic diagnosis, maintenance and tune ups are really all the same. As long as it's got good compression and oil pressure there's no reason it can't be used to learn on, the oil sump plate is the only place that's really vulnerable to a noob, the rest is tougher than a type 1 and able to resist learning the hard way on a little better. Do buy a torque wrench and some manuals before your thumb even touches the decklid button
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| He was asking if he should swap the type 4 for a type 1 if and when he gets that bus. I say it looks good don't swap it. But I agree that a type 1 engine in a 71 bus would be better for a person to learn on as far as refreshing a motor. The 71 is the only year with a dual port type 1 engine, did earlier vw's have dual port type 1's? |
I wish someone paid me a penny for each time in life they told me they were going to own something. My dad died 2 1/2 years ago at age 88. I am still waiting for him to give me that 1962 VW bug of his that he promised would be mine when I turned 16, I am 62 now. Then he said the F84 would be mine instead. That never happened either. In fact I am still waiting to see Santa bring me all the things I put down in my letters to him as a child. 
If he has a chance to get a T1 bus instead of a T4, it will be easier to learn on.
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Red Fau Veh
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He was asking if he should swap the type 4 for a type 1 if and when he gets that bus. I say it looks good don't swap it. But I agree that a type 1 engine in a 71 bus would be better for a person to learn on as far as refreshing a motor. The 71 is the only year with a dual port type 1 engine, did earlier vw's have dual port type 1's?
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