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joescoolcustoms
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| It is very important to mock up the whole assembly. Windshield, hood, dash, wiring, headlight, brake and turn light placement and fuel filler. |
Not sure if I would lump wiring in with that group. |
I agree.
I do my wiring once all fabrication is complete, painting process is complete and roll cage/body is bolted to the chassis.
If you are concerned about scratching paint, lay a protector over the body area you are working on, like a blanket.
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Looks like it was painted with a live chicken,polished with a brick and buffed with a pine cone |
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jspbtown
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| I totally agree with any holes. |
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MILO63
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| Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:27 am Post subject: |
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It is very important to mock up the whole assembly. Windshield, hood, dash, wiring, headlight, brake and turn light placement and fuel filler.
Not sure if I would lump wiring in with that group |
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Not so much the wires themselves, I'm mean the holes you have to drill to fasten the harness holders, junction blocks, fuse boxes, relay panel and the entry and exit holes through the body. The less chances you have to scratch the paint on things, the better! Plus, it's a lot easier to mock up the wiring with the hood off. |
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jspbtown
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| It is very important to mock up the whole assembly. Windshield, hood, dash, wiring, headlight, brake and turn light placement and fuel filler. |
Not sure if I would lump wiring in with that group. |
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MILO63
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| Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 11:09 am Post subject: |
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| I LIKE HIS NEW LUXURY MOWBILE HOME ACROSS THE STREET! |
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joescoolcustoms
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| IF THAT WAS A MANX, I WOULD WANT TO BUY IT! |
Looks like either a Desert Fox, Viper or a Chase Manhatten.
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Looks like it was painted with a live chicken,polished with a brick and buffed with a pine cone |
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JiI
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This one has no roll bar or steering wheel- plus the driver appears to have a poor attitude........
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He looks like a minion..... |
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MILO63
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| IF THAT WAS A MANX, I WOULD WANT TO BUY IT! |
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glassbuggy
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This one has no roll bar or steering wheel- plus the driver appears to have a poor attitude........
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MILO63
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| My biggest mistake is leaving the wiring for last. After all the chassis work and body work, I'm usually about ready to call it quits and then face the fun of wiring from scratch. I think on my next car I'll wire it during mockup and then have a completed harness sitting in the box waiting to go. |
In my opinion, when building a Dune Buggy, that involves paint, chassis and wiring work. It is very important to mock up the whole assembly. Windshield, hood, dash, wiring, headlight, brake and turn light placement and fuel filler. Bolt it all together so everything fits, works and looks the way it should and then, and only then, you get it painted. They are not factory production vehicles where everything has a place to fit exactly. The mock-up will keep you from scratching the paint and drilling different location holes and screwing up a new paint job. You will wind up with a very nice finished Buggy this way that looks professional. Plus, you will save time and money doing this! |
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slalombuggy
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I have turn signals, a horn and full lights to satisfy the local boys, but no windshield or wipers. Like Dave, I built mine to fit me so the seats don't move and I don't have heated bum warmers or a stereo. My car is far from simple, but it's a lot less complex than some of the buggies I've seen on here. It's fun, fast and comfortable, and it turns like a slot car. All the things I want MY buggy to be.
There's room for everyone at the table, it's just too bad some people don't have the skills or patience to do a top notch job. The latter being the most important. Most novices don't understand it's a BIG undertaking to build a complete car from the ground up. Usually it's that last 10% of effort that gets lost at the end of a project to make a nice car. Then there are those that just slap them together to have fun and beat the hell out of something cheap.
My biggest mistake is leaving the wiring for last. After all the chassis work and body work, I'm usually about ready to call it quits and then face the fun of wiring from scratch. I think on my next car I'll wire it during mockup and then have a completed harness sitting in the box waiting to go. I find I make a lot of mistakes with routing wires in an effort to get the bloody thing finished and on the road. I enjoy electrical (although not to the extend that some of you guys with your 25 circuits and 200 relays do  ) and I make my living doing a lot of it on modern cars, and I can't imagine what it would be like for a novice who is intimidated by it to do their own car. And as there is plenty of photographic evidence to support, rats nest wiring seems to be the result.
We also have to take into account changing times and tastes. I'm sure the guy who put the Ventura dash in the buggy above thought that it was pretty cool and we have only to look at what was all the rage in the 70s as far as customising to see some truly distasteful cars. Today most guys go for the minimalist, classic look, 2 seats a steering wheel and a speedo look. In 20 years guys will wonder what the hell we were thinking and why we didn't all run digital clusters, heated seats and Subi power.
Wow this was a rant, sorry.........
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donbarnes
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| So the guy that built mine with compression fittings on the brake lines was an idiot? |
I drove mine home on a warm night in February from Charlotte to Wilmington, NC with brake and clutch lines made from some clear plastic line like a refrigerator water line and compression fittings, leaking chinese master and slave cylinders- By the next morning the slave cylinder was spraying so much brake fluid it wouldnt even move out of the driveway, and that was just the beginning of the build mess I found on it. The first time we ever jacked up a front wheel the bearings made crunching noises from where they machined the insides of the brake drums for press-in studs and didnt even cover up the wheel bearings from the steel shavings  . But as someone else said, we buy them sometimes as junk, then lurk on here getting tips to un-junk them.. 
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MILO63
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Throw me your wheel/ tire sizes and brand. Great looking combo! Nice buggy!
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Mickey Thompson tires , Summit Warrior wheels
Part # will tell you sizes. Note rear wheels have 5.5" backset and are close! Go with part #5161 for the rear********
M/T S/R TIRE, FRONT SUMMIT 6650 21 x 7.5R15LT M/T S/R TIRE, REAR SUMMIT 6643 31 x 12.5-15LT
WHEEL, WARRIOR, FRONT 15X7 SUMMIT 5761PS
WHEEL, WARRIOR, REAR 15X10 SUMMIT 5162PS
VALVE STEMS, CHROME C/L SUMMIT L2900 Centerline
EMBLEMS, CENTER CAP, WELD SUMMIT 3010
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JiI
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The Buggy I love to drive! [/img] |
Throw me your wheel/ tire sizes and brand. Great looking combo! Nice buggy!
Jeff |
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RedBaronofRedBud
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Everyone has their interpretation and vision for their buggy. When people have items in certain locations or certain styles, its because of function or its aesthetically pleasing to them.
There is a buggy around here with a hard roof that has had shag carpeting applied to it. It reminded me of the dog van in dumb and dumber! Did that mean it was a pos? No. Was it my style? No. Was the owner proud of it? You bet! He drove it with pride because it was what he liked!
I have a soft top with removable sides. The top comes in handy for cooler and wetter weather but there is a problem. The cool little mirrors that attach to the windshield are in the way and you can't see them when the sides are on. Therefore, I put a fender mirror on before our New Years Day Buggy Run so I could see. Does it detract from the looks? Not really. Does it improve safety? You better believe it!
Point is, all buggies are different. Some trailer queens, some rolling junk. Sometimes you do things because it works. Sometimes its because you like it. If you're lucky, its both!
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brianbernal71
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Guess I was being a bit over sensitive. Didn't mean to offend.
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btonns
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| I first read this post this morning, and its been on my mind most of the day. Makes me wonder how I ever got through my 30 years of vw's without this guy. All I know is I have owned many old Volkswagen's, and let me tell you, most of them were probably very unsafe to some standards, but I still drove them and still loved every one of them. I come to this site probably 10 times a day or more. Searching classifieds or just reading. I ask questions sometimes and listen to the advice given to me. Not that I always take the advice but do with it what I will. No one ever says you have to do this, or you can't do that. If that's how it was, I surely wouldn't have any interest coming here any more. Sorry if I like the look of mirrors on the fenders or if I have fiberglass seats. But I don't need some d bag telling me not to do that. I make due with what I have and do not have $10,000 to put into my buggy. So sorry if that's not up to your standards. |
I didn't take it as really bashing to much. Mainly just warning buyers to look carefully before laying down hard earned cash. Some buggies for sale are way over priced for what you get. |
Same here. I looked at the original post as some helpful advice to help find a more practical/safer buggy. He did not go out to his way to say that if your buggy has mirrors on the fenders and fiberglass seats it is a POS.
No reason to bash the original poster over his two cents. You don't have to agree with everything you read on a forum... |
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brettsvw
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| I first read this post this morning, and its been on my mind most of the day. Makes me wonder how I ever got through my 30 years of vw's without this guy. All I know is I have owned many old Volkswagen's, and let me tell you, most of them were probably very unsafe to some standards, but I still drove them and still loved every one of them. I come to this site probably 10 times a day or more. Searching classifieds or just reading. I ask questions sometimes and listen to the advice given to me. Not that I always take the advice but do with it what I will. No one ever says you have to do this, or you can't do that. If that's how it was, I surely wouldn't have any interest coming here any more. Sorry if I like the look of mirrors on the fenders or if I have fiberglass seats. But I don't need some d bag telling me not to do that. I make due with what I have and do not have $10,000 to put into my buggy. So sorry if that's not up to your standards. |
I didn't take it as really bashing to much. Mainly just warning buyers to look carefully before laying down hard earned cash. Some buggies for sale are way over priced for what you get. |
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wythac
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| Jsp, man you blew it! That was a Flux Capacitor! No time travel for you..... |
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jspbtown
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I wish I had a picture of this but.....
When I bought my Aztec 7 (not a buggy but still a cobbled together VW "junk") I saw a circuit breaker designed for a house dangling from under the dash.
I never figured out what the intended purpose was...but it was there. |
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