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PostPosted: Sun Dec 18, 2022 5:38 am    Post subject: Re: Recommended fuel sender for 70 bus? Vendor/brand?**Update** Reply with quote

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As I noted back then, I bought the new VDO gauge made in Brazil. It tested fine out of the bus but once installed, it measured 1/4 tank low or when the fuel tank was full, it showed 3/4 full. The ground going to it at the tank was solid with good clean connections. I also made sure where it was grounded was clean under the connector too.

I never did figure out why it was reading 1/4 off..


I am experiencing this very same issue with my 71.
new real VDO bench tested fine...installed = 1/4 tank off???

pulling motor in 2 weeks and I would like to resolve this.

anyone else experience this issue and find a solution beside replace till it works?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2022 11:53 am    Post subject: Re: Recommended fuel sender for 70 bus? Vendor/brand?**Update** Reply with quote

I ended up buying the universal VDO one (link below) due to cost/quality. It finally arrived yesterday after being backordered for a few months:

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/vdo-224-220

It's made in Brazil and the quality appears to be top notch. I don't have the dimensions for an OG sender, but this one measured 7.75" versus 8.25" for the stock (junk) replacement. So this is a good ballpark compromise IMO, assuming it's reading empty a little sooner than stock would.

Once hooked up it worked right away and was reading correctly (had nearly a full tank), so I'll keep everyone posted if it craps out after awhile, but for comparison...

JUNK:

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VDO UNIVERSAL SENDER:

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2022 2:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Recommended fuel sender for 70 bus? Vendor/brand?**Update** Reply with quote

j10nbom wrote:
Are the type 3 senders similar or the same as a type 2?

Here's an NOS one for sale:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/325390064626


I spoke with an EIS Parts rep at a show a few years ago. At the time they only made the type III sender (don't know what they do now) and he said they were essentially the same, but the type III was shorter. That would leave you with an empty reading before the tank runs out - which I suppose is better than the other way round.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:13 am    Post subject: Re: Recommended fuel sender for 70 bus? Vendor/brand?**Update** Reply with quote

Are the type 3 senders similar or the same as a type 2?

Here's an NOS one for sale:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/325390064626
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 8:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Recommended fuel sender for 70 bus? Vendor/brand?**Update** Reply with quote

cause none of the replacements work right. The swing arm ones do the same thing. Just think of all the old senders that went into the junk pile that today would be worth a small fortune repaired... .
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Recommended fuel sender for 70 bus? Vendor/brand?**Update** Reply with quote

As I noted back then, I bought the new VDO gauge made in Brazil. It tested fine out of the bus but once installed, it measured 1/4 tank low or when the fuel tank was full, it showed 3/4 full. The ground going to it at the tank was solid with good clean connections. I also made sure where it was grounded was clean under the connector too.

I never did figure out why it was reading 1/4 off..
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 12:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Recommended fuel sender for 70 bus? Vendor/brand?**Update** Reply with quote

If it reads correctly out of the tank, and you should check it, unless the connections are soldered at the factory now, I would send it to Telford to have him permanently solder them so you aren't doing it again in 2 years. The issue will be once gasoline oils and corrosion gets into it, it is nearly impossible for the average person to solder without 100% knowing what they are doing. And, it the temperature isn't controlled while soldering correctly, the insulators melt.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2022 12:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Recommended fuel sender for 70 bus? Vendor/brand?**Update** Reply with quote

wcfvw69 wrote:
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Unless the old one is totally rotted out. Having Telford repair the old one is a really good solution. I can remember replacing the tube style senders on my 1971 back in the 1970's. Even with a genuine VW replacement from the dealer, those new senders only lasted 2 to 4 years before getting goofy as corrosion built up in the crimps.


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Rebuilding/refurbishing the original sender is the way to go. Telford is the man for the job!


If mine wasn't absolutely rotted out junk I may go that route. I ended up buying that VDO one from summit so we'll see how it goes.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:11 am    Post subject: Re: Recommended fuel sender for 70 bus? Vendor/brand?**Update** Reply with quote

SGKent wrote:
Unless the old one is totally rotted out. Having Telford repair the old one is a really good solution. I can remember replacing the tube style senders on my 1971 back in the 1970's. Even with a genuine VW replacement from the dealer, those new senders only lasted 2 to 4 years before getting goofy as corrosion built up in the crimps.


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Rebuilding/refurbishing the original sender is the way to go. Telford is the man for the job!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2022 5:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Recommended fuel sender for 70 bus? Vendor/brand?**Update** Reply with quote

I installed a Czech made VDO level sender in 2015. Still working fine.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2022 12:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Recommended fuel sender for 70 bus? Vendor/brand?**Update** Reply with quote

Unless the old one is totally rotted out. Having Telford repair the old one is a really good solution. I can remember replacing the tube style senders on my 1971 back in the 1970's. Even with a genuine VW replacement from the dealer, those new senders only lasted 2 to 4 years before getting goofy as corrosion built up in the crimps.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:34 am    Post subject: Re: Recommended fuel sender for 70 bus? Vendor/brand?**Update** Reply with quote

airschooled wrote:
Folks, we have here a near exact replacement for the stock sender, made by VDO. 90 ohms empty and 0 ohms full, means your gauge should be accurate. It is less than a half inch shorter than the stock sender that Skills measured. We can't all have our tubes as long as him apparently……… $70 here:

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/vdo-224-220


In the next few weeks, I should have test results back on a NEW brand of sender that hasn't hit the market yet. Several hours of phone calls might have paid off… We'll see……

Robbie


Bumping an old thread...is this one ^ definitely going to work in an early bay? I am going to change my cheapo sender soon and am looking at the options since my OG sender was kaput and obviously the cheapo didn't last long.

Seems like the sending unit options haven't changed much in the last few years.

CIP1 sells a Brazilian one they claim is made in the same factory as VDO:

https://www2.cip1.com/vwc-211-919-051-at/

...or EIS says they have "the VDO" one to get:

https://eisparts.com/product/fuel-sending-unit-bus-68-72-vdo/

Being that part quality is hit or miss these days, I'm having a hard time justifying the $ on that last link. But the VDO from Summit is economically appealing...
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 1:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Recommended fuel sender for 70 bus? Vendor/brand?**Update** Reply with quote

I bought a sender that fits split bus and Ghia, which is about an inch too short. Works great and more accurate than anything I'd ever had. Gives me a huge reserve this way, but for one dollar (yep, got it for a buck) I am not gunna complain.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Recommended fuel sender for 70 bus? Vendor/brand?**Update** Reply with quote

Ran out of gas yesterday with 1/4 tank...my sender had been on the fritz lately and figures just before we head out on a 1,200 mile trip! The gauge has been going from 1/4 to empty very quickly over he past few months. Yesterday was the first time it showed 1/4 and was actually empty. I filled it up last night and the gauge correctly reads full. To boot, a little plastic cap fell into my tank from the jerry can’s built in funnel. It’s like a top to a water bottle. I will try to fish that out once the tank gets half empty. Yeah me. I guess it’s 200 mile fill-ups for this trip.

FWIW, the sender above from egauges.com is a made in Brazil VDO according to the owner.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2018 5:00 am    Post subject: Re: Recommended fuel sender for 70 bus? Vendor/brand?**Update** Reply with quote

pantone149 wrote:
This unit is 210 mm, which is about a half a MM too long. They also sell 190mm.
If you zoom into the picture the yellow sticker reads in German and English. Cost is $57. I wonder if it's worth a try.

https://www.egauges.com/8-3-210mm-90-0-Ohms-p/224-221.htm


I'd refurb an original VDO German made unit before gambling on any of the new Chinese junk.

I don't see the higher quality VDO's being sold anymore? I wonder if VDO discontinued them.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 9:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Recommended fuel sender for 70 bus? Vendor/brand?**Update** Reply with quote

that looks like the same chineseium piece of shit that made me make an access hole in my bus.

fwiw...if anyone gets a sender with that red gasket, put it thru a shredder before anyone can use it
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Recommended fuel sender for 70 bus? Vendor/brand?**Update** Reply with quote

This unit is 210 mm, which is about a half a MM too long. They also sell 190mm.
If you zoom into the picture the yellow sticker reads in German and English. Cost is $57. I wonder if it's worth a try.

https://www.egauges.com/8-3-210mm-90-0-Ohms-p/224-221.htm
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Recommended fuel sender for 70 bus? Vendor/brand?**Update** Reply with quote

The sender is all repaired and ready to go. Looks like it sat in a mostly empty tank for a long time. The float was stuck on a corrosion layer on the center rod. Scraped that all clean and lubed it with a shot of teflon spray. The rod looks OK. Don't know where the corrosion came from (plastic float, and all). It also needed the ground to the brass spring fix. Seems to measure up correctly now.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Recommended fuel sender for 70 bus? Vendor/brand?**Update** Reply with quote

skills@eurocarsplus wrote:
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http://www.eisparts.com/211919051VDO.html?gclid=CLaC4Yry3MECFcVhfgodnYUA6w

Just saw this. Wonder if it's the legit one now made in Europe?


I'd want a measurement before i spent that kind of loot. otherwise, RoBbie's solution would work for me. either way, I'd still zip a hole to access it. like a wet fart, i don't trust the new stuff


Don't Jinx me! I'm on year 3 of my Brazilian VDO sender!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Recommended fuel sender for 70 bus? Vendor/brand?**Update** Reply with quote

wcfvw69 wrote:
http://www.eisparts.com/211919051VDO.html?gclid=CLaC4Yry3MECFcVhfgodnYUA6w

Just saw this. Wonder if it's the legit one now made in Europe?


I'd want a measurement before i spent that kind of loot. otherwise, RoBbie's solution would work for me. either way, I'd still zip a hole to access it. like a wet fart, i don't trust the new stuff
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